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#5986 Rize

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:11 PM

I see you ignored the second part of my post. I'm sorry Theo but it's not our job to cure your ignorance. We can only show you the door.

Theo, do you understand the implications of this argument well enough to try and refute it: http://www.talkorigi...c/section4.html

(P1) Ubiquitous genes: There are certain genes that all living organisms have because they perform very basic life functions; these genes are called ubiquitous genes.

(P2) Ubiquitous genes are uncorrelated with species-specific phenotypes: Ubiquitous genes have no relationship with the specific functions of different species. For example, it doesn't matter whether you are a bacterium, a human, a frog, a whale, a hummingbird, a slug, a fungus, or a sea anemone - you have these ubiquitous genes, and they all perform the same basic biological function no matter what you are.

(P3) Molecular sequences of ubiquitous genes are functionally redundant: Any given ubiquitous protein has an extremely large number of different functionally equivalent forms (i.e. protein sequences which can perform the same biochemical function).

(P4) Specific ubiquitous genes are unnecessary in any given species: Obviously, there is no a priori reason why every organism should have the same sequence or even similar sequences. No specific sequence is functionally necessary in any organism - all that is necessary is one of the large number of functionally equivalent forms of a given ubiquitous gene or protein.

(P5) Heredity correlates sequences, even in the absence of functional necessity: There is one, and only one, observed mechanism which causes two different organisms to have ubiquitous proteins with similar sequences (aside from the extreme improbability of pure chance, of course). That mechanism is heredity.

( C) Thus, similar ubiquitous genes indicate genealogical relationship: It follows that organisms which have similar sequences for ubiquitous proteins are genealogically related. Roughly, the more similar the sequences, the closer the genealogical relationship.



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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:16 PM

I see you ignored the second part of my post. I'm sorry Theo but it's not our job to cure your ignorance. We can only show you the door.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:16 PM

I see you ignored the second part of my post.

You're absolutely correct. It's not like I currently have that page open on my browser or anything.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:48 PM

This is how I relax :)

Theo: point. That is a big page.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:48 PM

You can't witness macroevolution because it happens over tens of thousands to millions of years.

Scientists, however, DID recently witness a one-celled organism evolve into a two-celled organism.

I love that talk-origins site. So many good citations of real geological/paleontological evidence of evolution (micro- and macro-). A quotation stuck out at me (I think it was from there) .. paraphrasing .. give evolutionary biologists a cell, and they can give you a human being. They've explained the jump to multi-celled organisms, to limbs, to the nervous system, to intelligence, etc. It really is as simple as "random mutations + survival of the fittest".

Oddly, it was a religious metaphor that helped cement this in my mind--the "refiner's fire." Metal-smiths heat up ore (or whatever) to melt the impurities away and leave a more pure hunk of metal. Nature puts a lot of pressure on its organisms, and the ones that can change--evolve, if you will--will survive while others will just fade away.

I also read something simliar about overlapping populations of maybe some kind of arctic bird? Populations adjacent to each other can interbreed as you go around the globe, but when you come back to where you started, they can't interbreed. That's speciation, innit? Take that to more extremes over thousands/millions of years, and bam, you've got macro-evolution.

Strange how Christians demand a much higher level of "evidence" for evolution than they require for their own beliefs.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 04:23 PM

Strange how some Christians demand a much higher level of "evidence" for evolution than they require for their own beliefs.

fixed.

i'm tend to think of myself as very christian (eastern orthodox) and i don't require any further proof of evolution to know that it happened. (:
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:31 PM

I went to the pet store and bought a fish, a bird, and a gerbil. I stared at them for like, three hours and they didn't evolve.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:34 PM


I went to the pet store and bought a fish, a bird, and a gerbil. I stared at them for like, three hours and they didn't evolve.


You have to place them in a Pokeball if you want them to evolve

these hilary clinton-looking women must be pressing their buttholes right up against the sides of the stall and letting it rip.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 07:35 PM


Strange how some Christians demand a much higher level of "evidence" for evolution than they require for their own beliefs.

fixed.

i'm tend to think of myself as very christian (eastern orthodox) and i don't require any further proof of evolution to know that it happened. (:

Good fix, Norg.

Wait, what are you doing in this thread? :blink:

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 07:42 PM

Good fix, Norg.

Wait, what are you doing in this thread? :blink:

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 09:32 PM

If I explain how evolution theories fit snugly inside of creationist theories, can we all learn to love each other and get along? :wub:

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:32 PM

If I explain how evolution theories fit snugly inside of creationist theories, can we all learn to love each other and get along? :wub:


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:36 AM




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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:15 AM

Okay. So, what kind of creature did a giraffe evolve from? Do we have fossils of the genetic predecessor of giraffes? Are there any similar creatures living today?
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That's a great assertion. Again, I repeat my question: Which specific bones (or sets of bones) prove this?
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...convincing me of something clear and simple, backed by evidence.


Well, here's one problem. The scientists weren't thinking ahead to convincing you so they forgot to make it clear and simple and instead used big scientific words and scholarly papers that are convoluted with things like evidence, peer review, precedence, and scientific measurements and data. And why do specific bones have to be brought to you? You could explain your way out of any set of fossil remains that show evolutionary adaptation because you won't know what you're looking at because you don't study paleontology. It is not clear and simple!
Nobody here could possibly convince you of large-scale evolution if you believe the Earth is 6000 years old. I don't understand how you believe in fossils in the first place. Carbon dating is a real, measurable science that is used to set the age of the earth and the fossils in it.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:15 AM

YECs propose that the rate of decay for unstable nuclei was different in the past (faster) hence all of our radiometric dating techniques are unreliable past a certain date. Never mind that that is a post-hoc explanation with no support whatsoever.



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