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[Zoast]

I'm around a lot of country and redneck people, more so than anyone else here possibly. In my experience, the older generations are much more prejudiced than the people I know that are my age. So it feels like these things should get a little better as far as this goes with simply more changes of the guard, but I also get the feeling that our society is sick and getting worse, and wonder how much of it is true or if I'm just starting to turn into a cranky old man early on. Cause you know every generation seems to think that the next one is screwed up, and the truth is that we all have problems and have ingrained perceptions and bad habits and so on.

One of the easiest things to do.. I think, is just try not to propagate the bullshit. Try to treat to people like family until their personal actions turn you off.

The real way changes take place though is for people to organize, so if you feel strongly about something now then try to find a way to do that. Organizing is how all the things in the OP got better in the last century, the change in laws didn't come from above, they came from below. These particular issues have come a hell of a long way, really, and they are pretty clear cut things to fight for. I've failed to take part in active participation for things I believe in, I really regret this, anti-war might be the most clear, winnable, and critical one I believe in now, but I guess that may be getting off topic.

[Rocquero]

I thought it was common knowledge that people are awful...

[Riders]

On another completly different note, but still about society moving backwards, and its funny i have been thinking about this a lot latley because i have been looking at a lot of of old photographs and some movies that take place in the 50's and 60's and not even cause of this thread.

I think fasion and general apperance has gone not really backwards(because if it did it would be awesome) but just untidy in general and kinda lost its touch.

When i was at college i would look at all the photographs on the walls of the graduates from the 50's and 60's, and see their very neat and well kept hair styles, and i bet you they all looked like that every day. Wearing a button up shirt and tie with shoes that you needed to polish was an every day thing, not just for special occasions.

Even though everyone wants to be indivualised to a degree in the present day, i think theres somthing pretty awseome about looking very well kept each day.

I know if i had a time machine and went back in time, i'd look like horse shit compared to everyone else and i think that sucks.


And that note, i think tuxedos and suits will never go out of style, i mean theres paintings of napoleon wearing a suit that would more or less pass at todays standards, plus every body feels like a total power beast in a suit and always looks good.

[Zoast]

I thought it was common knowledge that people are awful...

it's a common thought

[XMark]

My thought is that society is overall moving forwards. But it's getting dragged kicking and screaming forwards.

[Juggs69]

Has anyone thought to mention how women are treated in our society? I've actually heard a shizzie say he wanted to "buy a woman". That was pretty fucked. Save the arguments about prostitution for later...

Anyway, I'm in love with Omar and this conversation sums up why (besides being in my favorite band). Jiggs said he sounded like a pretentious, douchebag cock-sucker but part of me believes it's because he subconsciously isn't comfortable with male feminists. Had Omar been speaking about something else in the same well-informed manner, I don't think Jiggs' opinion would've been the same.

[weener]

Has anyone thought to mention how women are treated in our society? I've actually heard a shizzie say he wanted to "buy a woman". That was pretty fucked. Save the arguments about prostitution for later...

Anyway, I'm in love with Omar and this conversation sums up why (besides being in my favorite band). Jiggs said he sounded like a pretentious, douchebag cock-sucker but part of me believes it's because he isn't comfortable with male feminists.

Careful, any discussion of the way women are treated usually ends in ban-deserving nastiness and the thread being closed or deleted.

[Juggs69]

Has anyone thought to mention how women are treated in our society? I've actually heard a shizzie say he wanted to "buy a woman". That was pretty fucked. Save the arguments about prostitution for later...

Anyway, I'm in love with Omar and this conversation sums up why (besides being in my favorite band). Jiggs said he sounded like a pretentious, douchebag cock-sucker but part of me believes it's because he isn't comfortable with male feminists.

Careful, any discussion of the way women are treated usually ends in ban-deserving nastiness and the thread being closed or deleted.

Ideally, since that person was banned, there shouldn't be any further nastiness. The Shizz never ceases to amaze me though...

[BornInCrimson]

Dude does sound kinda pretentious tho. Mankind created warfare to put women in line? That's a little ridiculous.

[Sam]

Dude does sound kinda pretentious tho. Mankind created warfare to put women in line? That's a little ridiculous.

My favorite line was "'Every man is a potential rapist.'"

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight

[XMark]

Dude does sound kinda pretentious tho. Mankind created warfare to put women in line? That's a little ridiculous.

My favorite line was "'Every man is a potential rapist.'"

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight

Well, according to Arizona every woman is pregnant 2 weeks before conception, so we might as well balance it out.

EDIT: I just realized my joke statement could very badly be misinterpreted. Just to clarify: I was saying that "every man is a potential rapist" is a ridiculous assumption on the same level as "every woman is pregnant 2 weeks before conception" and drawing the parallel along those lines.

[weener]

On a personal level, I try not to live my life in fear of men. But women are conditioned to see them as potential threats.

If you doubt this, look at a woman who has been victimized by a man and see what people say to her. "Why did you go home with him, why did you get drunk around him, why did you walk in that area alone, why were you out at that time of night, why were you wearing that..." Basically, why weren't you more fearful of all those potential rapists out there?

I've had to try to "forget" this conditioning if I'm doing something like, say, letting a guy from the Shizz I've never met before stay at my house, or rooming with 3 dudes at MAGfest I've never met IRL before. If I couldn't play videogames unchaperoned with Shizz guys, I wouldn't be living my life, but if something happened to me, there would definitely be a lot of people who would ask me what in the hell I was thinking.

[XMark]

Well, everyone is a potential everything. The statement is logically equivalent to "Every woman is a potential juggler".

[Juggs69]

On a personal level, I try not to live my life in fear of men. But women are conditioned to see them as potential threats.

If you doubt this, look at a woman who has been victimized by a man and see what people say to her. "Why did you go home with him, why did you get drunk around him, why did you walk in that area alone, why were you out at that time of night, why were you wearing that..." Basically, why weren't you more fearful of all those potential rapists out there?

I've had to try to "forget" this conditioning if I'm doing something like, say, letting a guy from the Shizz I've never met before stay at my house, or room with 3 dudes at MAGfest I've never met IRL before. If I couldn't play videogames unchaperoned with Shizz guys, I wouldn't be living my life, but if something happened to me, there would definitely be a lot of people who would ask me what in the hell I was thinking.

"every man is a potential rapist" is probably difficult for most men to wrap their heads around b/c they have the freedom to not think twice about being victimized. Side note: I took a class on race and the professor tried to convince me I don't look twice when walking down an alley when a white guy is following me but look three times if a black guy is following me. We argued and I got a C+...

And I think the line of questioning women get after an assault is evidence that society has not moved forward as much as we'd like to believe.

[Nario]

Well, everyone is a potential everything. The statement is logically equivalent to "Every woman is a potential juggler".

And as I read this, Juggs was posting.

Juggs is a potential juggler. Who would've known!