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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:20 PM

I was forced to get a CRT when I got an AES. Because my LCD couldn't handle the refresh rate I guess. So I picked up a 27" RCA CRT for $15 at a Salvation Army. It worked great, I played most my games on it, but it was just too damn big. We moved from an already small apartment into an even smaller house, so it had to go. My friend showed me the magic of the Commodore 1701, and I absolutely had to have one. By chance I met a guy who had one and I traded him some old computer stuff for it. It has a composite input on the front and separate Chroma and Luma inputs on back. So I made an S-Video cable adapter for it and was in complete heaven. I thought that video quality from older systems just didn't get any better. It was like there was a Magician in there making the video signal all crystal clear and shit. It was amazing..... But I found out today.... It gets even better....

 

 

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The Sony PVM-1350. This thing really needs to be seen to understand the amazing picture quality. I read all the time in gaming forums about how these are the pinnacle of video quality. Composite, S-Vid, and Native RGB. Also, NTSC and PAL compatible. Every aspect of the picture can be adjusted to perfection. The blacks are super black, and the colors just pop off the screen. You would really need to see one of these to get the full effect. They are amazing. From what I read, these were never sold at the consumer level, and cost several thousand dollars a piece. I never thought I would get my hand on one, but I did today.

 

I was reading on neo-geo.com about these and decided to pop it in ebay to get a just on these. The top result was a 13" with only a few minutes left and one bid at 99ยข. The description said local pickup available and the seller was located in LA. I rushed in at 20 secs left with an $11 bid. I ended up winning at $10.50. I talked to the seller and he gave me the address of his work where he will have the monitor waiting for me at the receptionist desk. So today I drove up to LA had a fun day out with the family, had lunch in Hollywood, my son enjoyed the sidewalks with the big stars on them. We eventually got to the address he gave me in Burbank. It was a freaking movie studio. I had to sign papers and how my ID and stuff. Called the receptionist, she verified that there was a package for me, picked it up, drove home. It's so neat to think that my new gaming monitor was used for video editing or something related. Now it sits on my desk and I play games on it. :)

 

 

So yeah. There is my story! Share your CRT setups! :)


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:24 AM

My god dude. I am so JELLY.

I've lusted after a good PVM for years!

I have never looked, but I wonder if they ever made those in sizes bigger than 19"?


Personally, right now i've got this old 19" GE Stereo Monitor TV (Picture from about 2 years ago. But it still sits in the same spot)that's been in the family since ~92 ish that I use for systems with composite only(Looks pretty damn good too if I say so video quality wise even though there isn't a lot of fine adjustments. On the back there are some markings and holes(with plastic in them where knobs would be on maybe a higher end model for fine adjustment). The last time we moved, my dad who thinks old stuff like this is junk carelessly loaded/stored it and it got a small slightly deep scratch on the glass(Can see it in picture). Which I"m still mad about because it's such a nice TV.

To add insult to injury, the solder joint or whatever to the main board for the Composite video-in has become loose over the last few years. So when I have a system hooked up, I have to stick the cork screw part of a swiss army knife in-between the Right channel RCA plug and the Video plug to hold it in place so it makes the connection.

I have no idea who could service such a thing and re-solder the joint these days. (Or possibly fix the scratch in the glass/tube)


(It's a mess inside though, I tried to take it apart once to see myself. It's got 21 years of dust built up.  https://i.minus.com/ibg7qmNHvpKxRN.JPG  ;Yeah Tube says RCA, but on the outside says GE and shows the GE logo)


My other CRT is a 27" Phillips Flat screen digital SDTV(Their words. Old picture. But TV still sits in same spot in my bedroom) . I've had this TV since ~2007/8. It has S-Video(Which looks ok.) Composite(Which looks like utter shit) and Component-but no 480p (Picture quality is mostly great.). Some decent in menu controls for changing the picture. It even has some of those god awful "Picture enhancement" modes that you see these days on LCDs and stuff. The TV in general is a PAIN IN THE ASS however. The damn shadow mask or whatever CONSTANTLY is getting magnetized or someshit and causes big globs of purple or green on the screen that darkens and discolors the picture. So I have to turn it off and wait for it to hopefully De-gauss. It has done this since the day I brought it home from the store brand new.(Was ~200$ IIRC). Audio channel type is determined automatically (Mono,stereo and "Enhanced" which just sounds awful). So I have to manually change it to stereo nearly every time I turn it on. It offers a zoom/Aspect ratio button. But only offers 16:9 compressed, when the manual shows non-compressed 16:9. It looks bad so I don't use it.

I would like to replace it with something else eventually.

Always gotta have a CRT if you have old game consoles. Unless you get a scaler like the XRGB-Mini/etc for modern TVs.(Even then, does not completely reproduce CRT look. Just scanlines usually. Scalers can cause sync problems for interlaced signals and 15khz stuff too depending)


The one thing I HATE about CRTs though, is the 15khz whine from the fly-back transformer. When I moved back to Oregon and didn't use one for a few months. After I turned it on the first time, my ears wanted to bleed.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:43 AM

I LOVE this thread and will post more later!!!


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:19 AM

My main CRT squeeze shuffled off this mortal coil recently, so I'm just using a 15" JMB telly at the moment, which is also on its last legs due to being rotated all the time (display is often wobbly, etc). I'm in the market for two CRTs - one of which will be left on its side. Hopefully the tube will just get used to it, then, heh.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:06 AM

neat thread. i'll post some pics after work... 

 

i used to always be on the thrift store hunt for amiga monitors with composite-in back in the day, they too kick much ass as far as image quality goes for pre HD systems.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:13 AM

I'm going to be honest.... I'm done with CRTs.  When I run a game through them, it doesn't look like a remember, it looks about 10x worse than I remember.  Running straight into an LCD works for me, or better yet, using a quality emulator for perfect digital pixels.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:49 AM

since i do A/V at the university of colorado, i have access to all sorts of outdated (free for me) gear.

 

i got a commercial-grade video production Panasonic monitor with 4 composite inputs.

 

crts built for video production are way better. there's a huge difference.

 

when i was a kid, we had a commodore colt, and it's monitor had vga and composite in.

 

all you had to do was hit a toggle to switch between the PC and our NES.

 

it was awesome.

 

when we got rid of the colt, i kept the monitor and ran the NES into a VCR and watched tapes, tv, and played NES on that thing.

 

i'm getting teary-eyed...


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:21 AM

i don't want to give up on my light guns so i have held on to my mammoth 95 pound Sony CRT well past when i should have thrown it out. i've had to move 5 times now with that TV, and it's utterly impossible to hold, and has torn so much skin off of my palms and arms, and caused an intense amount of back pain. i'm dreading moving it AGAIN in another month.

 

but Time Crisis is worth it.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:31 AM

when i was a kid, we had a commodore colt, and it's monitor had vga and composite in.

 

yes. those were sweet, those and amigas were my jam back in the day...


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:35 AM

I have an Emerson 27" Flat screen CRT that I bought at Walmart 9 years ago.  It's got a 3 line comb filter and S-video that makes everything look spectacular.  This isn't mine but it's the same model:

 

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I'm eyeing a 36" Sony WEGA Trinitron at the local Goodwill for only $60 but I'm pretty sure my wife would divorce me.  I'm pushing my luck lately :)  Of course nothing beats the monitor in my MVS cabinet.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:45 AM

my years in the a/v industry have taught me that Sony Trinitrons are the heaviest tv's of all-time.

 

i have had to uninstall a shit load of them in office buildings/call centers.

 

the spec sheet of a 36" trinitron lists the weight as 220lbs.

 

p.s. they're called trinitrons b/c they have three colors and an elecTRON tube. like... you know... every color t.v.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:47 AM

Ugh, that might be more trouble than it's worth.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:04 AM

I'm eyeing a 36" Sony WEGA Trinitron at the local Goodwill for only $60 but I'm pretty sure my wife would divorce me.  I'm pushing my luck lately :)  Of course nothing beats the monitor in my MVS cabinet.

I got one of those from a friend a few years back. It's a great TV, but yeah... fucking heavy.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:08 AM

flat-screen Trinitrons are also more susceptible to burn-in.

 

but that's probably less likely in consumer use. 


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:26 AM

Its odd. My new PVM is not curved vertically, only horizontally. I'm going to head to the store and buy some BNC connectors. The only system i have RGB cables for (Not component) is the PS2. So I hope to get some super fresh smooth RGB Tomba action going on this! :)


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