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#16 Disquisitor Sam

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:28 PM

You know I read some years ago that CRT monitors have a marginally faster response time than LCD. It mentioned that to the vast majority of people it doesn't matter, but in scientific tests where reaction time is a factor they still use CRTs for that reason. Thing is I haven't been able to find confirmation and even the original text I read I can't find anymore.

 

Is any of this true? The possibility makes me CRT-curious.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:31 PM

watch your Ass when you take apart a CRT. even unplugged it still may have a charge strong enough to kill you
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:33 PM

well, yeah. it is the reason why Rock Band and the like have lag calibration, and why you still see a ton of CRTs at fighting game events.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:49 PM

Fighting game guys have lag tables for a ton of different TVs. Most CRTs have zero lag. Some HDTVs can lag over two frames. fighting gamers hate that. They'll walk away from four figure TVs and straight over to a tube TV if some guy tries to impress them with their expensive but slow TV.

 

Here's a list of sub 1 frame (16.67ms) HDTVs and monitors: http://forums.shoryu...ut-lag-database


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:25 PM

well, yeah. it is the reason why Rock Band and the like have lag calibration, and why you still see a ton of CRTs at fighting game events.

 

Oh man, it's been so obvious this whole time. Dunno how I didn't put that together.

 

Fighting game guys have lag tables for a ton of different TVs. Most CRTs have zero lag. Some HDTVs can lag over two frames. fighting gamers hate that. They'll walk away from four figure TVs and straight over to a tube TV if some guy tries to impress them with their expensive but slow TV.

 

Here's a list of sub 1 frame (16.67ms) HDTVs and monitors: http://forums.shoryu...ut-lag-database

 

That list is awesome. My roommate thought I was crazy when I picked up a CRT over an LCD back in the day. Glad to know I'll have low latency alternatives into the future.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:23 PM

I have three CRT TVs back in Michigan specifically for doing Halo 1/Halo 2 LANs with my friends.

 

You can't play those games on LCDs. Too much lag and the screen looks gross unless you have Xbox component cables.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:47 PM

I need a CRT for myself when I get a new place, just for old games and vhs moviez.

 

Also need a CRT i can sit on its side for some hot dreamcast shooter action.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:47 PM

So much gamer porn in this thread!

 

I recently moved, and even though everybody thought I was crazy for doing it, I held on to our two CRTs rather than donate them to Goodwill and save space. One is a normal Zenith 27", but it's the first large purchase I ever made with my own money, and it has provided me so many years of trouble-free service (and countless video games played on it).

 

The other is a 27" RCA "Entertainment Series" that I inherited from my wife. It's actually a great TV for gaming: s-video input, FANTASTIC speakers that provide lots of punchy bass (perfect for SNES/GEN), and the picture quality seems nicer than most run-of-the-mill CRTs. This thing looks and sounds so good that even after getting a scratch on the screen during moving, I've kept it in service. S-Video SNES gaming is killer on this thing! (incidentally, if anybody has had success with removing deep-ish scratches from glass tv screens, lemme know).

 

I don't think I'll ever get rid of either of these TVs. The thought of not being able to find working CRTs in the future scares me (and yeah, light guns like the Super Scope still hold a special place in my heart). I'd actually like to find another RCA without a scratch, but I feel like that might be pretty unlikely. merc may give me his Commodore monitor, too, which would be great for the NES. Question: do all Commodore monitors cut off the bottom of the screen for NES gaming? I noticed that norg's does, not that it's a dealbreaker.

 

What an amazing find, btw, Bishop. Totally jealous over here. Can't even imagine how good that thing looks.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:53 PM

the super scope uses infrared doesn't it? it has a sensor you put by the TV so that should work with anything. zappers are screwed on an LCD though.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:07 PM

the super scope uses infrared doesn't it? it has a sensor you put by the TV so that should work with anything. zappers are screwed on an LCD though.

 

Oh man, duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Yeah the Super Scope is OK. So it's the GunCon and the Zapper that I'd miss.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:17 PM

I wouldn't be too worried about finding good tube TVs for the next 20 years or so. Sales were probably 30 million a year in the States alone from the '80s on.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:50 PM

I wouldn't be too worried about finding good tube TVs for the next 20 years or so. Sales were probably 30 million a year in the States alone from the '80s on.

 

I dunno, I see quite a few sitting next to dumpsters or on the side of the road getting rained on, marked "free".

 

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:26 PM

I'm going to be honest.... I'm done with CRTs.  When I run a game through them, it doesn't look like a remember, it looks about 10x worse than I remember.  Running straight into an LCD works for me, or better yet, using a quality emulator for perfect digital pixels.

 

This is what I prefer for playing on LCDs
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:39 PM

If I'm running an emulator, I don't like to use any filters but when it comes to the actual console, I would love to pick up a CRT. Maybe a Sony Wega 27", or a Sony Trinitron. Those are supposed to be really good quality CRTs. In my experience with older games on LCDs, I find that the games just look worse. They're stretched out and the colors seem off.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:49 PM

I recently moved, and even though everybody thought I was crazy for doing it, I held on to our two CRTs rather than donate them to Goodwill and save space. One is a normal Zenith 27", but it's the first large purchase I ever made with my own money, and it has provided me so many years of trouble-free service (and countless video games played on it).

For a long, long time I had an old 19" Zenith TV, probably older than I am (and I'm nearly 29). The kind with faux-wood panels, the two big, hard to turn clicky dials and nothing but an RF input and a mono speaker. It was our main TV growing up until our house got hit by lightning and it went on the fritz. We got a new 27" Magnavox with all the bells and whistles of the mid-90s like SmartSound and two RCA inputs, and it was pretty nice. But just for kicks we took that old Zenith to our trusted TV repair guy (remember when you didn't just throw electronics in the trash?) and he got that old gal working pretty good. Just a little bit of discoloration around the top left corner, but nothing unbearable. I put that thing in my room and hooked my games up to it. I never had a TV in my room until then, so I was stoked to finally have what my friends had well before me. Throughout middle school and high school I spent so much time playing DKC, Mario RPG, Kirby's Superstar, and all sorts of other games while blasting Weezer out of my little boombox CD player. When I took off for college I brought the Zenith with me and its warm glow was a comfort after my friends and I got hell of stoned and needed occupied. I was even playing PS2 and GameCube games on it at this point, but I distinctly remember my buddy Kirk spending a few nights running through Star Tropics on it.

 

Eventually when TVs started getting really cheap in the early 2000s I spent $100 on a new 19" CRT with stereo sound and RCA inputs. Smaller, lighter and better in nearly every way. But I don't have the memories, the stories to tell of this TV. It was just a TV. A drab black hunk of uncharacteristic plastic that served its purpose and nothing more. Eventually I bought an HD LCD but I never really liked that thing much, and I didn't even bother to take it with me to Phoenix. Instead my sister uses it sometimes.

 

I don't know what happened to that old Zenith. I doubt we threw it out, that wasn't like us. I vaguely recall giving it to someone else who needed a TV, but I honestly can't say for sure. I hope it made it to a good home but I can't fool myself into believing that it's still in use somewhere.

 

On that old TV I watched my first episode of The Simpsons in 1989. On Christmas day, 1990, I hooked up my brand new NES up to it and had my mind blown by Super Mario Bros. In middle school it was my trusted friend during the most awkward years of my life. In high school it became the old friend I'd come back to between skateboarding sessions. In college it helped me through the social anxiety of being around a whole bunch of people I didn't know. These days a TV is just a TV, but that damn Zenith was by my side from before I could walk to when I could barely walk from college debauchery. 

 

RIP, my Zenith. 19XX - 200X(?)


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