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#691 VikingGuitar

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 09:36 AM

I got in some also.  Started as a Waste of Skin and am now up around Level 27.  About to fight Amelia.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 10:20 AM

I'm in the starting village, making no progress at all, and I'm mad.

 

P.S. Git Gud, iframes, and Spin2Win are not helpful comments. I am familiar with the basic gameplay of video games in general.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 10:31 AM

So good. I've been chipping aeay slowly at newgame+ for a month now. I think I've hit some hard level caps (most stats over thirty and defense isn't going up with extra stat boosts).

Considering how much trouble I'm having getting to Byrgenwerth, I'm in trouble.
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 10:36 AM

I'm in the starting village, making no progress at all, and I'm mad.
 
P.S. Git Gud, iframes, and Spin2Win are not helpful comments. I am familiar with the basic gameplay of video games in general.


LobosJr did a whole run using nothing but the axe spin2win move, that's how good it is.



Getting a feel for the iframes in BB is critical. You can roll like wild and get lucky or you can time your rolls and know that you're going to dodge correctly.
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 11:12 AM

I'm in the starting village, making no progress at all, and I'm mad.

 

P.S. Git Gud, iframes, and Spin2Win are not helpful comments. I am familiar with the basic gameplay of video games in general.

I had the same experience the first time I played.  Was just STUCK in that first village forever and felt like I wasn't getting any better.  It really does come down to putting in the time to learn about dodging.  

 

After you beat the first boss, it unlocks the ability for you to use blood echoes to start leveling stats and upgrading weapons.  That will make things easier, but the core of the gameplay is really about learning enemy timing.  It's a bitch, but you will get better.  FWIW I honestly didn't enjoy about the first four or five hours of gameplay, but after that, started liking it more and more, and it's now become one of my favorite games.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 04:46 PM

I've been treating combat kinda like I treat fighting games. It just feels similar to me. You have to wait for an opening on scarier enemies and bosses. Once you gear up and get leveled you can go ham on weaker enemies, but learning patterns and knowing when to parry or dodge is very important (and of course using i-frames). Bosses are kind of a drag for me, but overall the combat feels excellent to me. Very engaging.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:11 AM

Defeated the Witch of Hemwick last night. I don't know what I was so worried about, that was such an easy boss fight! 

 

So question for you experts out there, My main weapons have been a +5 saw cleaver and +4 hunter axe, looking to branch out and try another weapon. Ludwig's sword sounds appealing to me, is it worth trying out?


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:31 AM

Ludwig's is a great beginner weapon. And I don't mean that as a slight. It has long reach, a good poke charge move, and can hit fast or hit hard.

It all depends on what kind of build you want eventually. Saw cleaver doesn't have super high scaling so it's pretty forgiving with whatever stats you have. The axe is more of a strength weapon so you'll probably just want to pump up strength to 50 if you plan on using it. Ludwig's, however, has decent scaling in strength and skill (and arcane) so you can do a "quality" build and go 40 strength / 40 skill. Just be aware that that requires either levelling up more or sacrificing other stats to get there.

For now your stats are not at a point where you're really stuck with any particular weapon, and you should be able to farm blood shards quickly to get any weapon to +3.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:54 AM

Cool, I think I might mess around with Ludwig's and see how it goes.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 12:18 PM

I'll echo what Raub says. Ludwig's is by far the most used weapon (poll pre-DLC: https://www.strawpoll.me/4217940/r ), and that says a lot given it's not one of the starting weapons.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 02:25 PM

I'm using LHB until I nab Boom Hammer. (for shits and giggles)


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:36 PM

I'm in the starting village, making no progress at all, and I'm mad.

I think the best way to chip away at these games until they "click" is to go in with small goals in mind, not worrying about beating an area or anything. Explore the level, make it a goal to comb through the area for loot, learn which enemies drop useful items (and if any are guaranteed to do so), and so on. Before you know it, the area seems a lot smaller and easier, and then there's nothing left to do besides defeat the boss (and the path to the boss will likely be super quick).

 

Plus you'll find stuff to upgrade your weapon, which is huge. Like if you only get partway into the level, but you got a couple bloodstone shards in the process, that's actually more significant progress than a lot of new players realize.

 

To add on to VikingGuitar's comment, you don't actually need to defeat the first boss before leveling up becomes unlocked.

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If you feel like you're bouncing off the game or getting frustrated-- my starting area checklist would include the following. These are by no means necessary, but I find these things massively helpful in making the game a lot easier:

 

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 04:50 AM

I've been treating combat kinda like I treat fighting games. It just feels similar to me. You have to wait for an opening on scarier enemies and bosses. Once you gear up and get leveled you can go ham on weaker enemies, but learning patterns and knowing when to parry or dodge is very important (and of course using i-frames). Bosses are kind of a drag for me, but overall the combat feels excellent to me. Very engaging.

this is the best advice, fighting game ideas really work because a lot of the combat is one on one.  almost all of your best options for attacking are in a state when you have made your enemy whiff a move and they are still recovering from it (whiff punish!)  and you do this by spacing yourself just out of range (footsies!) or rolling through the attack.  it's not as easy as in dark souls where you can block with a shield then just attack in the early game, but you can interrupt their attack frames with your gun and get a crunchy attack.  

 

but i didn't use a gun my first (only) time through, and that was a HUGE MISTAKE.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:58 AM

you can interrupt their attack frames with your gun and get a crunchy attack. 

 

 

I honestly didn't realize you could do this for quite some time while playing the game. Now I've been practicing those gun interruptions, and getting better bit by bit. Hitting a visceral attack on a monster is so damn satisfying!


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 03:27 PM

To add on to VikingGuitar's comment, you don't actually need to defeat the first boss before leveling up becomes unlocked.
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If you feel like you're bouncing off the game or getting frustrated-- my starting area checklist would include the following. These are by no means necessary, but I find these things massively helpful in making the game a lot easier:

 

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- My starting axe is forged +2 and I've gotten pretty comfortable using it over anything else because of how quickly it takes down most things (despite the windup). Sometimes for the hell of it I'll try to get a large mob riled up and chasing me, then see if I can take them all down with a charged spin. I found a saw cleaver and bought the Kirkhammer but I think I still prefer the axe.

- I've pumped up my vitality, endurance, strength, and skill a few notches each.

- I bought the armor set from the bird bath creature in the dream, then later I found another set off a body in the sewer.

- I maxed out on those pretty quick, and I read that whatever I can't carry goes into storage so I kill and loot whatever I can.

- I suck at gun parrying. I try shooting during a swing but it doesn't even interrupt their attack so I just get punished for it.

 

Practicing dodge timing on weaker enemies, in my experience, didn't really translate over to the first boss well. Its attacks were all over the place as far as coverage and timing. So I started by standing back and watching it swipe for me so I could get a feel for what I should do. So I run in, dodge an attack and hit it in the back or the side, but of course the attack I dodged was just the beginning of a flurry of attacks so I get sliced up before I can back off. This was the case SEVERAL TIMES. If I stay back attempting to watch and learn, I miss an opening, then the beast closes the gap on me by sweeping the entire bridge and forcing me to move toward it or get backed into a corner. If I get up close and try to counterattack, I get caught in a combo. And sometimes I would get knocked out of a dodge roll by a swipe? Where the fuck are my i-frames? Just seemed like an un-intuitive fight that was punishing just for the sake of being punishing and I don't know what I was supposed to learn from my deaths. I somehow managed to beat the first boss after finally getting off one critical attack, but I don't why it worked the one time it did as opposed all the other times I attempted the exact same thing. It felt like luck that he got stunned from a counterattack instead of immediately retaliating like all the other times. Was it a fluke? Maybe I can get to the end through an endless series of flukes. Who knows.


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