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#16 cetera

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 12:36 PM

Telling my best friend that I was "quitting the band" was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. I was completely bored with playing the 4 chords of Oasis and other similar stuff over and over again and was totally outnumbered in the band on that front.
 
20 years later, I wonder if my best friend still feels hurt/resentment towards me for that.


i love learning new things about your past. we must go visit this guy! it will be all awkward and silent and then i will say: "so... that band oasis pretty much didn't go anywhere huh?"
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first of all, funky fm music just really does it for me.  Even if it's something corny like early mariah carey I can get way into the music with the fm bass and keys going on.   Then, there's everything else in this song.  The enigmatic title.  The synth programming brings out all the right emotional responses in me:  leads that remind me of thunderforce (even if the portamento isn't quite as exaggerated), chording synths that remind me of very old and charming genesis osts like super monaco (except somehow they don't sound as flimsy here), and of course a solid bass.  Great original motifs, interesting harmonies, good melody, rhythm.. everything that can make a song great is here!

 

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 01:30 PM

Telling my best friend that I was "quitting the band" was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. I was completely bored with playing the 4 chords of Oasis and other similar stuff over and over again and was totally outnumbered in the band on that front.
 
20 years later, I wonder if my best friend still feels hurt/resentment towards me for that.


i love learning new things about your past. we must go visit this guy! it will be all awkward and silent and then i will say: "so... that band oasis pretty much didn't go anywhere huh?"

Do It! You guys need to hang out more IRL anyway ;)


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#18 cetera

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 01:34 PM

monte is right!
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first of all, funky fm music just really does it for me.  Even if it's something corny like early mariah carey I can get way into the music with the fm bass and keys going on.   Then, there's everything else in this song.  The enigmatic title.  The synth programming brings out all the right emotional responses in me:  leads that remind me of thunderforce (even if the portamento isn't quite as exaggerated), chording synths that remind me of very old and charming genesis osts like super monaco (except somehow they don't sound as flimsy here), and of course a solid bass.  Great original motifs, interesting harmonies, good melody, rhythm.. everything that can make a song great is here!

 

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 01:50 PM

I'm in too many bands. The bands I'm in don't do much consistently. Every christmas I play in a blink 182 cover band. Every few years a pop/punk band, Elliottfuckingsmith will play a show.. I have a gypsy punk band that plays twice a year or so, then there is Kirby and Vic Viper and all my solo or 2 man projects..I have been getting bored and wanting something more stable.. So my 2 friends and I started a j-punk influenced band. Finding a fourth member so far has been really tough.

 

But we all love music and I know we all would join 100 bands if we could. If each and every one of you nerds asked to start another VGM band or fill in I'd probably say yes. ha


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 02:02 PM

The 9-5 lifestyle has determined my band deathstyle before. Tried to get some stuff going with a few friends that was fun and interesting but ultimately weekends were bad for them and random weeknight after 9pm was bad for me. 

 

The last band I was in, playing shows and all that, was a good experience, even though I didn't really dig the music. I came in about a year after they had already been playing and writing songs and stuff. It was a little awkward at first but I was given room to not just fit myself into the band, but to change the songs around and improve them. The other guitar player in the band was technically skilled but void of taste, he liked to play 110% all the time. Pretty much right when I joined, we got a chance to record in a local college's studio as part of a class there. Basically we got 4 songs recorded for free in exchange for being the test subjects. It was pretty fun. For one of the songs I was asked by the singer of the band to write a lapsteel solo-ish part for the bridge of one of the songs, and the other guitar player was barred from playing on one of the songs entirely. That felt nice. It was basically an experience in trusting my instincts and learning that they were right most of the time, as much as I could impact a band I wasn't really into. 

 

Armadillo Tank was fun, even if it was a little strenuous on me living far away from the rest of the crew. 

 

I would like to do more band stuff, but I have no idea what, and I know secretly I don't want to dedicate the time and effort. I haven't even played guitar seriously in over 2 years.


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 02:07 PM

@Cetera, you can jam in any genre really.... repetition is key. 

I think "jamming" in this way kindof sets the music you're making as its own genre.  You can "jam" on metal, funk, or blues, but it's still all jamming, you know?


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 02:13 PM

..I have been getting bored and wanting something more stable.. So my 2 friends and I started a j-punk influenced band. Finding a fourth member so far has been really tough.

Wait...when did this happen?! And who are your two friends?

 

But we all love music and I know we all would join 100 bands if we could. If each and every one of you nerds asked to start another VGM band or fill in I'd probably say yes. ha

I can definitely second this...I would play in as many bands as possible, even if I couldn't handle being in all of them. Contradiction? I think so. 


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 02:15 PM

I was in a big handful of local metal bands from ages 14-18, then toured off and on from 18-21. Pretty much entirely burnt out/jaded at this point.

I first picked up the bass guitar when I was 12 because I wanted to write my own music. However, all being in bands has ever been for me is following orders and getting zero say in the creative or logistical decision making. This is due to both always having been way younger and less experienced than everyone else. But on top of that, spending all your time/gas money to drive all over the place for fruitless band practices and dead-end shows kinda kills your ambition after awhile. It is not a proportional effort:reward ratio in the slightest.
 

I'm the only person in any band I'm in that moved out and has a regular 9-5 job/lifestyle.

Touring was fun and certainly worthwhile for a time, but this statement is definitely something to consider. 99% of the guys I know who tour have friends/family/girlfriends that they mooch off of. The only reason I was able to do it is because I was 19 years old and living with my dad rent-free. I never met a musician on the road who supported himself comfortably and responsibly by playing shows 2-5 months at a time. Not saying it doesn't exist, but it is extremely rare, difficult, and will take years before you even start to see a profitable return.

The home recording direction that I've taken in the past ~2 years has been very beneficial to me for a lot of reasons. I'm finally able to write/arrange music that's been in my head for years. Being able to engineer/produce is an invaluable skill if/when I ever do decide to be in bands again. Plus, there's more opportunity to make actual money on the recording end than the gigging end.

If I'm ever in a band again (which may happen someday!), it'll have to be on my own terms. At least mostly my own music, financial decisions, and hand-picked members. Might sound selfish, but after doing this for 10 years, you really lose patience for any and all bullshit.

I should note that VikingGuitar gets a free pass since
A. We only do one show a year, so it doesn't take up much time
B. They're some of my best friends, so just being on stage with them is enjoyable
C. I get into MAGfest for free, which I'd be going to anyway. Hey - at least I'm honest.


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 02:29 PM

..I have been getting bored and wanting something more stable.. So my 2 friends and I started a j-punk influenced band. Finding a fourth member so far has been really tough.

Wait...when did this happen?! And who are your two friends?

 

Wade from The Skank Agents asked AJ and I if we wanted to start a fast pop/punk band. We told him we have ErichFuckingPeacox! and then I introduced him to the treasure trove of Japanese rock and punk and it blew his mind and he realized how much better the punk scene is in Japan compared to southern california so we are influencing our solos, chord progressions, pauses, harmonies off of bands like Hi-Standard, Potshot, and Dradnats. We are just looking for a fourth member with a similar mindset.


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 02:29 PM

I should note that VikingGuitar gets a free pass since

A. We only do one show a year, so it doesn't take up much time
B. They're some of my best friends, so just being on stage with them is enjoyable
C. I get into MAGfest for free, which I'd be going to anyway. Hey - at least I'm honest.
D. It's the one time each year I have a four-day long erection.
E. The amount of talent in the band is unparalleled.

Nice of you to say!

 

Honestly, I hate playing in bands.  Sorry to say this, but in my experience, a lot of musicians have some crippling aspect that makes it very difficult to do anything productive.  Either drug addiction, personality disorders, general unreliability or lack of drive, etc.  The logistic of finding two to four other people that:

 

a ) live nearby;

b ) know how to play their instrument;

c ) have compatible schedules;

d ) like the same type of music;

e ) have money to maintain gear;

f ) have similar musical goals;

g ) don't do too much drugs/alcohol; and

h ) get along with you

 

...is just too much.  Sometimes it works, and that's great.  But more often than not, you end up tolerating a few of those categories being way under-par because the others are in place.  That can quickly turn a band situation into being an obligation that no one enjoys.

 

Honestly, Viking Guitar Live is the only band I've ever been in where things feel right.  I attribute it to the fact that I was able to pick musicians from across the whole country instead of within driving distance.  

 

Similar to what Travis said, I've had a lot more feeling of personal growth and enjoyment from home recording than I do from almost any band I've been in.  


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 02:46 PM

Wow, this thread hit home in a lot of ways for me. I'll just say that I'm 29 now and I feel like maybe, MAYBE, I'm getting close to figuring out what I want to do with music. For the past several years I've felt I want to be a bandleader, like Frank Zappa. I want to be the one writing the music and directing the rehearsals. "Build it and they will come," has been the philosophy I adopted, though I've built little at this point.

 

Do you guys ever think about the idea of playing what an audience wants to hear, or do you strictly play what you want to play?


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 02:54 PM

Wow, this thread hit home in a lot of ways for me. I'll just say that I'm 29 now and I feel like maybe, MAYBE, I'm getting close to figuring out what I want to do with music. For the past several years I've felt I want to be a bandleader, like Frank Zappa. I want to be the one writing the music and directing the rehearsals. "Build it and they will come," has been the philosophy I adopted, though I've built little at this point.

 

Do you guys ever think about the idea of playing what an audience wants to hear, or do you strictly play what you want to play?

Both. I feel strongly that you should appeal to yourself (above anything else) AND to the audience to some degree. I feel like if your writing music that you like writing put it out there. See if people like it. Ask for honesty and gauge it from there. Then, if you find some interest, play shows and see what happens. Look for constant constructive feedback. I think that is an essential part of being a musician no? Like for DoD. Critique is so helpful. a lot of musicians I know don't like listening to music which I think is harmful in ways. Listen to artists you like and look at what those artists are doing and how their fans (if they have any) respond and take info from that. If you please the crowd it makes you even more pleased than just performing and writing the music you already love. It feels...unbelievable. I dono those are my thoughts. 


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 02:54 PM

Do you guys ever think about the idea of playing what an audience wants to hear, or do you strictly play what you want to play?

I forgot to mention that the demise of the last band I was in was because we got a weekly bar gig at a friend of the singer's new-ish bar. We had about an hour worth of original material, so pretty much filling out 3 hours required learning crowd-pleasing classic rock songs. 

 

Do you know how boring it is to play Sympathy For The Devil when you aren't allowed to do more than play the rhythm parts? It's FUCKING BORING. 

 

Basically all of that stopped any regular songwriting and practice sessions, and the band became very boring. We didn't even make much off that gig but we got lots of free drinks!


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 02:58 PM

I'd say it's 50/50.  Having home recording as an outlet makes me feel less intense about needing to only play personal fulfillment things live.  For our last MAG set, we nixed a few tracks on the basis that we didn't think people would dig them, but it was also that we had other stuff to play.  


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 03:03 PM

I think there's a really big difference between pandering to an audience, catering to an audience, and having sensibilities about what is or is not an interesting live performance. I'm not really sure which Alex is referring to though.


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