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#3106 dasaten

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 12:57 PM

 

You can probably trust a consensus by every major news agency.

But it sounds like your mind is already made up

 

As a guy just getting into news in general, it's a lot to take in at one time.

My mind is indeed made up at the moment, but it's open to move in every direction. It's easier for me to start this way instead of going "Hey guys what should I think about this?". It's easier to change a set opinion than debating when not having an opinion. It's not because I don't respect anyone's opinion on here, it's that I'm starting a conversation to actually try to rationalize and get a better idea of everything that is happening.

 

 

 


 

that.s cool. as much as i try not to take discussing politics too personally though, remember that you making your mind thusly, means that you are siding with a foreign enemy whose aim is not only to disintegrate NATO and the wider western liberal world order, but also my country.. so in essence, with such a mind made up, you become a partisan of an enemy of my country in an ongoing war. a foreign enemy which is currently doing absolutely everything to not just destabilize US, but your country as well surely. Russia invested heavily in the Brexiteers campaigns, why wouldn't they want to spread the love to the rest of the commonwealth?... just sayin...


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:04 PM

I also think it's sad that Republican policies are tarnished so much because of the people in the party though :|
When I read conservative policies, it tends to agree with how I think a bit more.


At this point in US political history, the Republican party is no longer "Conservative."

Perhaps it will be again some day.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:57 PM

It bugs me when people talk about the Democrats as if they are the party of the left when they're such a straight up right wing party in terms of their policies (though they try to appear left-ish in their rhetoric). Even Bernie Sanders is barely center-left at best and he's the farthest left of them. The Dems are significantly further right than any liberal European parties, and even further right than most of the conservative ones (I'm obviously not including the hyper nationalist/neo fascist ones :P). It's just that the Overton window of US politics is shifted so far to the right (and honestly has been since at least the beginning of the Cold War) that not being straight up comic book super villains makes you "the good guys". We live in such an oligarchy that no political views left of the neoliberal norm are tolerated in mainstream political discourse in the US. I'm not saying anything that isn't straight up communism is right-wing, but liberals in the US think that even social democracy is some kind of far-left utopian ideology lmao. 

Also, the United States has never in its history had a vibrant democracy. Dasaten keeps talking about how US democracy is dead, as if it was ever a thing in the first place. Sure, it's getting worse, but even before then our voting laws were basically engineered to keep people of color and poor people from effectively being able to vote. Hell, we started off with only white land owning men being allowed to vote. When the policies enacted by government don't even remotely align with the desires/views of the people, you can't pretend to have any semblance of democracy. And this isn't something new to the Trump administration.

 

And even the shit Russia's been doing is nothing compared to what the US does in foreign elections. We start wars and enact embargoes and economic barricades to cripple economies and end up impoverishing/killing millions of people when foreign elections don't go the way we want them to. We want to talk about "hacking" elections? LOL the US does that shit on the regular too. Not saying Russia is justified. Putin's been funding far-right, hyper nationalist, and literally fascist movements all over Europe anyway so fuck him too. But it's so hypocritical of powerful US politicians to scapegoat Russia for everything when they're guilty of literally the same shit in dozens of other countries over the last several decades. It's like they're criticizing their own foreign policy haha. 
 

I really dislike that Rize left because so many people ganged up on him. He is a shizzie and it was uncalled for.

 
Though I disagreed with him, I was fine with Rize until he started defending white nationalism after Richard Spencer got punched last year. Fuck that shit. (I'm not calling him a white nationalist or a nazi, btw. Just that I'm not cool with anyone sympathizing with the views of someone like Richard Spencer). 

 

Private industry has had their chance to be leaders but they squandered it in the name of profits and now it's too late to really take a slow route.

 

You're right. Private industry has just been literally doing what private industry is supposed to do. You can't expect any entity to do ethical things when they exist in a system where the their sole purpose is to generate profit, and that's literally the reason private industry exists. If you're playing a video game where the win-condition is to score as many points as possible, you aren't going to stop and help out the NPCs. And that's what we are to them. NPCs. Milton Friedman said it best himself: 

"There is one and only one social responsibility of business – to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud."

 

Last I checked, the "rules of the game" don't involve making society better. And in America, paying politicians to change the rules of the game to be more in your favor...are within the rules of the game. And this happens to both the Democracts and the Republicans, though the Republicans are pretty much explicitly shoving it in everyone's faces while the Democrats try to hide it so they seem like they have moral high ground. 

 

If you talk to capitalists (I don't mean someone who likes capitalism like an individual with liberal or conservative views. I mean a literal capitalist as in CEOs/board members of corporations or billionaire investors), they will be pretty open about their goals. Working in the tech industry, I deal with these people on a weekly basis. Peter Thiel says competition is for losers because monopoly is the end goal of any worthwhile business venture. The goal of private industry has never and will never be to solve societal problems for the betterment of the people. If you hear them say anything else, that's literally just marketing.

 

Dorothy Day sums it up so much more eloquently than me, though..

"How many thousands, tens of thousands [of prisoners], are in for petty theft, while the 'robber barons' of our day get away with murder. Literally murder, accessories to murder. "Property is Theft." Proudhon wrote--The coat that hangs in your closet belongs to the poor. The early Fathers wrote--The house you don't live in, your empty buildings (novitiates, seminaries) belong to the poor. Property is Theft."

Dorothy Day is the shit :wub: I live not far from the original Catholic Worker building, and they let us use their kitchen to cook for the Lower Manhattan Food Not Bombs. Every Sunday, we take food that is going to be thrown away from grocery stores, bring it to the Catholic Worker and cook it in their kitchen before serving it for free in Tompkins Square Park. And there's this really kick ass mural with a Dorothy Day quote on the side of the building: “Our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy, rotten system.”  And the people that live/work there all have really interesting life stories. 


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:00 PM

Generally speaking the American people tend to have extremely a short memory when it comes to politics. Democrat = Liberal is a narrative created by the boolean media. You can take that deeper and say Hillary = Democrat = Liberal vs Trump = Republican = Naz~~err Conservative. Our political climate is entirely bathed in smoke screens designed to obscure close working relationships between both parties/candidates/conventions and even more so to obscure American political behavior overseas. If you go through the hassle of finding information about how our government and politicians infiltrate and influence massive sociopolitical shifts in countries all around the world you'll start to understand why we're largely hated and distrusted.

To take that even farther, the fact that our internet is as open as we think it is even though we're all painfully aware of how corrupt the ISPs are is a huge red flag to me. We would not have any of our modern progressive social movements happening if they weren't useful to the government. Not to go into conspiracy theories here, but whoever thinks that the government is not completely in control of how big or aggressive a social movement gets is beyond ignorant. If something starts blowing up (like the recent #metoo movement) there's a definite reason why it needs to blow up, and the real reason is most definitely not as noble as the movement itself would suggest. In any other country the facts that are coming out about how corrupt this last election was on both sides would spark a revolution, but watch the news and notice how relatively subdued it is, while they force feed you more entertainment gossip.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:26 PM

 

You're right. Private industry has just been literally doing what private industry is supposed to do. You can't expect any entity to do ethical things when they exist in a system where the their sole purpose is to generate profit, and that's literally the reason private industry exists. If you're playing a video game where the win-condition is to score as many points as possible, you aren't going to stop and help out the NPCs. And that's what we are to them. NPCs. Milton Friedman said it best himself: 


"There is one and only one social responsibility of business – to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud."

 

Last I checked, the "rules of the game" don't involve making society better. And in America, paying politicians to change the rules of the game to be more in your favor...are within the rules of the game. And this happens to both the Democracts and the Republicans, though the Republicans are pretty much explicitly shoving it in everyone's faces while the Democrats try to hide it so they seem like they have moral high ground. 

 

If you talk to capitalists (I don't mean someone who likes capitalism like an individual with liberal or conservative views. I mean a literal capitalist as in CEOs/board members of corporations or billionaire investors), they will be pretty open about their goals. Working in the tech industry, I deal with these people on a weekly basis. Peter Thiel says competition is for losers because monopoly is the end goal of any worthwhile business venture. The goal of private industry has never and will never be to solve societal problems for the betterment of the people. If you hear them say anything else, that's literally just marketing.

 

 

Oh yeah, I totally understand that capitalism is just about profits, nothing more. I just like to make that observation to those who generally support "free" market capitalism. Usually those who don't look at it too closely don't really understand what capitalism is about. I mean, there is a lot of money to be made in clean energy especially if a company can monopolize it.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:32 PM

Generally speaking the American people tend to have extremely a short memory when it comes to politics. Democrat = Liberal is a narrative created by the boolean media. You can take that deeper and say Hillary = Democrat = Liberal vs Trump = Republican = Naz~~err Conservative. Our political climate is entirely bathed in smoke screens designed to obscure close working relationships between both parties/candidates/conventions and even more so to obscure American political behavior overseas. If you go through the hassle of finding information about how our government and politicians infiltrate and influence massive sociopolitical shifts in countries all around the world you'll start to understand why we're largely hated and distrusted.

To take that even farther, the fact that our internet is as open as we think it is even though we're all painfully aware of how corrupt the ISPs are is a huge red flag to me. We would not have any of our modern progressive social movements happening if they weren't useful to the government. Not to go into conspiracy theories here, but whoever thinks that the government is not completely in control of how big or aggressive a social movement gets is beyond ignorant. If something starts blowing up (like the recent #metoo movement) there's a definite reason why it needs to blow up, and the real reason is most definitely not as noble as the movement itself would suggest. In any other country the facts that are coming out about how corrupt this last election was on both sides would spark a revolution, but watch the news and notice how relatively subdued it is, while they force feed you more entertainment gossip.

i think pretty much everything here is spot on except i would say US political spectrum is something like

socialist = center left

democrat = center to center right

libertarian = kinda smart about some things, but historical revisionist whack job about most others - see penn jilette

far-right nationalist/alt right = despondant white men that mostly just really need to learn how to be around women a bit better, plus some really confused women who are associated with these men either by kinship or other means

far-left = a melange of some well intentioned people with poor tactics, some with slightly more effective and well reasoned ideals and methods... as well as more of the same seen on the alt right in terms of "despondant white men"

republican = neo-fascist totalitarian plutokleptocrat


and, I think the whole 2nd paragraph the analysis is sound, but puts too much agency where it doesn't belong. yes, governments and corporations used psychoanalysis to manipulate us effectively into buying more stuff, then eventullly to elect the candidate they wanted us to, and so forth. but, that all began almost a century and a half ago. by now this system of influence and focus groups and all these things.... you don't need to go into conspiracy theories or smoke screens to explain it.. i'd say it's most just running partially to fully automated at this point... powered by computers and our own underexplored subconsciouses..

there are state and corporate actors still using these same methodologies to try and continue to exert influence within this now deeply tangled web of moral confusion and consumerist state propaganda we've all been fed. but i think it's hard to say if what they are doing is or isn't mostly a crapshoot at this point. russia got damned lucky on their last roll though, that's for sure.. couldn't have hoped for a more perfect candidate to conduct an influence campaign for.. or as samantha bee put it "american pussies are falling for it big time"


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"Also, the United States has never in its history had a vibrant democracy." ---- compared to what? when the US was 40 yrs old in 1816, were there other more vibrant democracies at the time? how many more, how many less of the democratic projects in the world around that period?



"keeps talking about how US democracy is dead, as if it was ever a thing in the first place. Sure, it's getting worse, but even before then our voting laws were basically engineered to keep people of color and poor people from effectively being able to vote." ---

I mean, it is getting worse than it was under obama, no doubt. and, Russia passed laws making homosexuality punishable as well as wife beating legal in the past years... anyway...


"Hell, we started off with only white land owning men being allowed to vote. When the policies enacted by government don't even remotely align with the desires/views of the people, you can't pretend to have any semblance of democracy. And this isn't something new to the Trump administration." -----

all true. and, around 450 or so years before all that in the mid 1300s, you know what russia were doing under Vladimir the Great? their favorite hobby. military intervention, conquest, subjugation, and ethnic cleansing of muslims, that's exactly right!!!!

in the 1550s, Ivan conquered the muslim khanate of Kazan (which remains a colony of Russia to this day, among around 30 or so other "republics'")... most of the big buildings in moscow like St. Basils were built with the spoils of and to commemorate that good old time of killing muslims to the east that they had. st basils cathedral (not unlike most cathedrals) is a war memorial to the slaughter of infidels.

fast forward to today, about 500 yrs later, puppet state in chechnya and huge levels of subjugation from Russia for the past centuries going back unbroken, same situation in most or all of other muslim republics within russian federation (the word "federation" here being a very cutting example of the dangers of politcal correctness to warp the moral landscape as it is very much still the russian empire, the name didn't change that. similar to the constitutent republics of russia like tatarstan and all 30 or so others of the 90 or so russian subdivisions, "republic" in this sense actually referring to a colonial subject, much in the same way native "nations" in the US do), as well as Russia having syria, turkey, iran, egypt and more in their imperial pockets...

I"d say Us have a few centuries of catching up to do if they want to come anywhere close to that track record.. as period of US empire is seeming coming to a close (historically latecomer empires, like Japan for instance, never last very long) that likely won't happen though..


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:45 PM

@Vegeroth - What news sources do you use for U.S. politics?


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 02:29 PM

@Vegeroth - What news sources do you use for U.S. politics?

2nd'ed.. and if you ever need a hand tracking or geolocating russian funding sources in media you might be in doubt about, glad to help out.


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 04:53 PM

Well, so far I've browsed a few:

 

CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, The Young Turks, The Daily Wire, Democracy Now!, The Rebel Media(I got into them because of their recent on the field reporting in Germany), Vox, Buzzfeed, etc. (off the top of my head).  

 

One that I have on my list to check is Face The Nation,

 

Other sources of information and debate that I look at which have topics related to politics

PragerU, Ruben Report, Joe Rogan, Campus debates, etc.

 

 

One show that I laugh a lot with is "Louder With Crowder" on youtube, it's like late night comedy host shows like Seth Meyers and Colbert, but it's on the other side of the political spectrum. I prefer his format, jokes and sketches. And his undercover videos are great, they infiltrated Antifa, and their on campus segments called "Change my mind" is an awesome idea. I don't always agree with him, but he would be someone great to debate with.

 

 

I think my favorite format right now may be John Cardillo with screenshots sources put up on screen, kinda like in this video with official US stats :

 

 

Do share your favorites!


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:11 PM

Speaking of very bad sources. I know longer support The Intercept's journalistic practices in any way, shape or form.

I made a short post on an article they just posted on facebook talking about some of my concerns with their material as a concerned reader, and they removed it as "spam". Some guy managed to get in a like on my comment, and another guy accused me of not knowing what McCarthyism is, and I replied to him.

Fuck The Intercept...
 

me - "People, enough is enough. The Intercept, while seemingly run by fair, level headed journalists with good standards of practice, is absolutely not. They are the vanguard of the american liberal neo-mcarthism that has tried so hard to silence opposing, critical, and nuanced voices that they do not agree with... their vanguardian superhero of course being none other than Ben Affleck...

See also - US "market journalism" in the late Gilded Age (early 20th cent.)

Glen, Matt, I know you're not dumb guys, and I even think your hearts are in the right places...
But, you're endangering the future of journalism and democratic institutions in the United States with some really sloppy practices at the Intercept, and it's just not cool.

If you wanna win back any kind of public trust as a respectable journalistic institution, I think there are more than a few apologies owed first for some pretty vitriolic and yellow crap that you've slung over your first few years...not to say that all of it has been such.

But,even when just some of it is such kind of lazy personal attacks as Glenn has leveled, or that you wrote about sites like propornot.com trying to help out voters to recognize russian influence campaigns... it was just not well thought out or well researched or well reported or anything like respectable journalism should be...that's already MORE than bad enough in the current highly compromised media landscape..."

Random dude on fb - "It's kind of sad/funny to see the dumb dumbs talking about McCarthyism when they really have no clue what that was."


Me - "are you referring to me? i know what McCarthyism was if that's the case. it was a period in US history, otherwise known as the red scare or communist scare, in which laws and institutions were heavily directed to excluding people suspected to communists, anarchists or other far-left sympathizers from national polity or public life



There were many successful measures in accomplishing these aims in place already before the term of Sen. McCarthy and the rise of Soviet communism in the world, such as the Anarchist/Immigrant Exclusion act of 1905 (?) which was used to racially target people of Eastern European immigrant backgrounds with or without left sympathies, many of whom were deported to the USSR, even though many or most had never lived in Russia and had only known the US.

By the time of the full height of the red scare in the US, it was so bad that the US State Dept did not have any Chinese speakers whatsoever for some years,because anyone and everyone that spoke Chinese was a suspected communist and blackballed or worse.

The kind of neo-McCarthyism that I am referring to that the Intercept has been guilty of, as well as many others in the US over the Obama years, is similar in scope and character, in that it not only accuses people of certain things based on certain suspected ideological affiliations, these types of "outings" also attach moral and character judgments to the people they are reporting on who they deem to be in some way acting immorally. Examples of this include the UK organization hopenothate.org.uk, which lists and describes people they claim to be "anti-muslim extremists". To be fair, many of the people on the list are in fact, islamophobic bigots.. but, not all of them are.. some are scholars or just more conservative people that are not outright bigoted, but have some outdated views or thinking..... it's this that is the danger of this kind of thinking and making lists and calling people out.

Another good example is the SPLC's list of anti-muslim extremists.. very similar in direction to the hopenothate list.

A more anecdotal but personal example of neo-McCarthyism in action was one I heard from Zizek in a talk he gave in 2015. The palestinian rap group Dam were performing at a university in California. They sang songs and talked about things like rape, and honor killings and so forth. And, well, they were booed off stage by a large part of the student body (probably a combination of kids that wanted to impress their professors and peers with how socially aware they were, and muslim student groups with really misogynstic saudis and the like) accused the rappers of being islamophobic and they got the concert stopped.

Can you imagine that??? Palestinians being accused of islamophobia?? This is exactly the kind of quicksand of moral confusion that a lot of the crap the Intercept has been churning out is lending legitimacy to. And, i think it's shit, and it's neo-McCarthiest, and it's really not a good thing to be doing in the US currently especially, as the media landscape is so fragile and in jeopardy..."


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:43 PM

Vegeroth, you remind me of a guy in this episode of This American Life:

 

https://www.thisamer...r-and-rockville

 

His small town in Alaska is riled up over what the town's official stance on illegal immigration should be. He makes a large effort to educate himself on the issue, only to find out later that most of the sources he used to learn about the issue were deliberately misleading him.

 

Likewise, I think it's commendable that you're trying to educate yourself on issues. I still don't understand your interest in US politics given that you live and vote in Canada. Hopefully you're this passionate about what's going on up north and become a knowledgeable and active participant in democracy.

 

I'm not intimately familiar with a lot of the news sources you've listed, but a lot of them like PragerU and Joe Rogan look like they would qualify more as entertainment than news. I guess similar to how a lot of people on the left consider the Daily Show as their main source of news. Or talk radio on both ends of the political spectrum. Entertainment and opinion pieces can be useful to get issues into your purview, but I don't think they're great ways to learn about the actual facts. These sources have bias and use omission of information to "win" you over to their side.

 

I'm not sure if you're referring to the TV channels, websites, or both, but CNN and Fox News are terrible TV channels. They're both basically entertainment. There's a huge focus on their personalities (e.g. Andersen Cooper, Bill O'Reilly) more so than the substantive journalism. CNN's website is okay, albeit littered with opinion pieces and paid "sponsored content". It's not bad if you stick to the news articles, although not particularly in-depth either. I'm not familiar with Fox News' website, but their organization has a very bad history with empowering sexual harassers (e.g. Bill O'Reilly, Roger Ailes) so I'm not inclined to give them a shot.

 

I get most of my news from NPR. Their website is okay, but doesn't have the volume of content that CNN or Fox News are going to have. I mostly listen to them on the radio on my drive to and from work and that's my primary source of news these days.

 

Al Jazeera used to have a separate English company that was great and formed mostly of former BBC journalists. They still have an English site, but there's a lot less content than the separate one used to have. They're state funded by Qatar so you have to keep that in mind when reading anything where there could be a conflict of interest. I usually only go to them these days when I'm seeking another view on a story I've heard elsewhere.

 

Likewise for the BBC. I can't say I go there very often. I used to be able to listen to the BBC news hour on the drive home, but the local station moved them to a different time slot.

 



 

I don't know who John Cardillo is nor do I really care, but videos like this aren't journalism. Black Lives Matter is a movement in the US that's a response to a growing number of cases getting media attention of police killing black citizens. It's not perfect. Some of the examples the movement has rallied behind end up, for lack of a better term, more gray than black and white. But there are a staggering number of cases that are black and white. Like Philando Castile:

 

https://en.wikipedia...hilando_Castile

 

The dude was basically straight up murdered by a police office who got off without any criminal convictions.

 

The title of the video:

 

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is a clear case of whataboutism. BLM isn't about black-on-black crime. Black-on-black crime is irrelevant in the discussion. Bringing that up in the discussion is either misguided at best or racist at worst. Again, I don't know what your interest is in US politics, but this is the 2nd time you've brought up BLM and in a negative light. I don't know what your angle is here or why you're even so interested given that the black population is Canada is significantly lower than in the US (about 3% of the total population vs. 12% in the US).


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 11:13 PM

BLM isn't about black-on-black crime. Black-on-black crime is irrelevant in the discussion. Bringing that up in the discussion is either misguided at best or racist at worst. Again, I don't know what your interest is in US politics, but this is the 2nd time you've brought up BLM and in a negative light. I don't know what your angle is here or why you're even so interested given that the black population is Canada is significantly lower than in the US (about 3% of the total population vs. 12% in the US).

 

That right there is the liberal argument for BLM. The conservative argument is that BLM ignores real crime statistics that, in the conservative narrative, are not mutually exclusive to the reasoning behind police being more jumpy around black men. Another thing I've seen floating around conservative places online has been that black lives matter more to white people on twitter than they do to black people, which they back up with statistics about black on black crime.

 

In the context of what BLM tries to be it is completely irrelevant to bring up those statistics, but BLM is severely flawed and their own supporters obscure the point of the movement. In time BLM will be about police killing black citizens as much as gamergate is about ethics in games journalism.


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 11:50 PM

good podcast episode about police shootings if you’ve got an hour to kill
http://www.radiolab....s-fired-part-1/
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:35 AM

Fuck the police.

My job is statistically more dangerous than being a cop and I don’t go around killing people at work.
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:58 AM

i try to avoid this thread but lets all agree that steven crowder and trevor noah are both equally terrible for humans. those shows are more about pandering to their fans, making them feel good about their perceived superiority and ratings. fox news and 'daily show leftists' as i refer to them may seem harmless but only add to the divisions and 'my team vs your team' mentality that has taken over everything. much like i hate the show COPS for normalizing the police, these things should not be 'entertainment'

 

also steven crowder isnt funny, like, at all. i've managed to scrub my internet dealings of ever having to see him and had managed to forget him until now :( thats like watching baked alaska youtube rants for real information on racial inequality


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