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#3586 Sagnewshreds

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 08:11 AM

I mean you called us liberals and we explicitly aren't liberals...so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I also don't think you're a conservative. Conservatives align themselves much further right. You're a liberal. Liberalism is center-right. American liberals tend to be down with center-right policies. The fact that they wholeheartedly fall behind people who deregulate banks and disintegrate the power of unions is explicit proof of that. Edit: I'm not attacking you by saying you support center-right politicians by the way. Just saying that that is not where we are politically. Not sure if that's clear. 

 

Anyway, for anyone who's interested, I'm not shitposting or arguing. This is a *really* good video series on what Liberalism (the ideology) is. All of it is good, but the first video, and the one on Neoliberalism are particularly relevant. I personally learned a good amount from them, even after reading a pretty comprehensive book on Neoliberalism. 

 

 


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#3587 Robby V

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 08:17 AM

Liberal can mean anyone who is kind of left leaning but that use is kind of vague and dated and in more nuanced political discussion doesn’t mean much.

There is also the problem that the American democrat party may be the left wing in our country but in terms of idealogy it’s pretty firmly center right due to the fact that it’s so technocratic, pro war, anti union etc. still obviously better than the conservatives, but not actual “left” if you were to make a list of their core values and stack them up against the values of different ideologies. They get called liberals and that makes things confusing.

Me Sagnew and Karlgerm and such can actually have pretty different beliefs as far as leftists go so I think if you were to try and label us more accurately something like “leftists” or “socialists” what get it in the ballpark that Bernie is to the right of what we’d believe.

I personally am a posadist and I think you’d be really... interested in it :P

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 08:21 AM

Posadism is the only true way forward. We need to nuke humanity and seek help from alien comrades to unlock the powers of dolphin-communication in order to build a truly communal society out of the ashes of a nuclear winter. 

 

Edit: I'm very disappointed in the article Robby posted as it doesn't say a lot about nuclear war or dolphins, which are two cornerstones of the ultimate ideology.

 

Edit again: If you really want to accurately label Karl, Robby and me, we prefer the term "lefty beta-male SJW snowflake cucks"


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 08:34 AM

I think people abandoning the traditional party boundaries is one of the most important things that can happen to our country. It's so stupidly careless of people to go into a voting booth and blindly vote entirely by their party affiliation without knowing anything about what these people stand for. I've even voted for republicans in local elections whenever their record+ideology seems like it would do good in my community, though it's a very rare thing to do so. As Robby and Sam are saying, the Democrats in this country are liberals by name only, they'll throw out some scraps of liberalism to get their base going but when it comes to governing and policy there's very little difference between the republicans (speaking on broad terms like how the country operates as a whole and how we interact with the rest of the world).

I generally approve of Obama but I'm not gonna blind myself to his warmongering and other acts of aggression, be they political, military or financial. The "president" is a figurehead who's forced to make up his mind based on ridiculous amounts of pressure from every single angle 24/7, and nomatter how you slice it about half the government will be against him while they apply that pressure to get their own interests served, being partisan makes you an asshole who is too radical even for your own party (so they do nothing to support you like we saw with Obama at times) and if you're bipartisan you become an asshole to the people who voted for you because you do things like perpetuate wars and oppose the right kinds of unions while allowing corrupt ones to manifest.


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 10:31 AM

So Trump falls in love with a dictator, there's a huge exposé on his tax fraud, and public shaming of a sexual assault victim. And again he won't be accountable for any of it. Just a typical week in 2018


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 01:17 PM

Sounds like they have the votes. Fuck


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 01:20 PM

if all presidents have been bad, why don't you people start voting for good ones?

 

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 02:11 PM

I mean you called us liberals and we explicitly aren't liberals...so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I also don't think you're a conservative. Conservatives align themselves much further right. You're a liberal. Liberalism is center-right. American liberals tend to be down with center-right policies. The fact that they wholeheartedly fall behind people who deregulate banks and disintegrate the power of unions is explicit proof of that. Edit: I'm not attacking you by saying you support center-right politicians by the way. Just saying that that is not where we are politically. Not sure if that's clear. 

 

Anyway, for anyone who's interested, I'm not shitposting or arguing. This is a *really* good video series on what Liberalism (the ideology) is. All of it is good, but the first video, and the one on Neoliberalism are particularly relevant. I personally learned a good amount from them, even after reading a pretty comprehensive book on Neoliberalism. 

 

 

 

 

PhilosophyTube is a great resource. Yeah those videos do a really job of detailing what Liberalism really is. I'd call myself a socialist. Don't know enough to really add more prefixes to it though. A political quiz pegged me as a libertarian socialist and internet quizzes are never wrong.


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 04:35 PM

Why is everything always framed in an oppositional fashion? Why is a public service a versus situation? I think this is a toxic framework.
The job of government shouldn't be to undo the damage of the last government and set forth the changes that the next government will work against like some sort of pendulum.


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 05:00 PM

my ideology is a hybrid of capitalism and communism. i call it "capcom"


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#3596 Robby V

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 05:03 PM

Everything is oppositional because everything can be boiled down to dialectical materialism. All issues can be simplified to a conflict.

 

Governments are bi-products of economic systems. The sole purpose of the state, which the government is a part of, is to 'mediate' between the conflicting demographics in an economic system. Slaves and masters, serfs and lords, workers and capitalists. With no government in place either the ruling party would exploit the lower class into destitution and slavery and kill them off, or the lower class would revolt and kill off the ruling class (in which case they'd be fine, hey!).

 

There is nothing prestigious, admirable, or honorable about this. Governments decide who violence is okay to be used against, and the degree to how much. This structure would be to balance between the classes, but whatever group wields more power will always try to take more if they can.

 

The job of government, if working for the people, should be to beat down and destroy the people that try to rule over them. No punches should be held.

 

The problem is that right now only the ruling party tends to see it that way, and I think that Kavanaugh getting confirmed is a perfect example. They could have nominated any number of other anti Roe v Wade weirdos but they wanted to spike the football and get sadistic with it. They gerrymander, they dubiously appoint judges, they suppress votes. They understand that it is a zero sum power grab. Dems are too busy rimming McCain's decomposing shitter.


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 05:14 PM

my ideology is a hybrid of capitalism and communism. i call it "capcom"


State capitalism is CopCom :o

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 05:20 PM

With the way things seem to be going, all the Democrat senators with the exception of Manchin will be voting against confirming Kavanaugh, so what else do you expect them to do to stop Kavanaugh's confirmation? They don't have the numbers. Even if they pulled every string possible to get more seats in November, that wouldn't affect the outcome of this.


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 05:44 PM

The point is that they’ve never tried. They could have packed the court under Obama and we never would have been in this situation. Had they had any spine at any point they could have prevented this.
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Posted 05 October 2018 - 07:19 PM

Honestly if you were interviewing for a job at Rite Aid and some girl came in claiming you sexually assaulted her, they'd let you go regardless of if it was true or not just because they don't want drama. Even if Kavanaugh is somehow not guilty of everything he's accused of, the ridiculous spectacle that this became should be reason enough to pass on him and go with someone who isn't so problematic even before he takes the job. It's just a matter of people calling in favors and playing political games, but we all already knew that our political system is a farce. Watching the ridiculous failure to get anything done when the dems had full control of the government was the last straw for me, so I'm not surprised by any of this bullcorn.

What really stinks is, I turned 18 in 1999, but I still couldn't get citizenship till 2007, so the first time I could actually vote was 2008, and watching the government fail to lead from that presidency onward greatly decreased the sense of pride I felt from voting since. So I've only ever had one presidential election where I felt like I was doing something worthwhile.


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