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#3781 Smeg

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Posted 05 April 2019 - 02:45 PM

Yang & Bootyjudge 2020


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#3782 Robby V

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Posted 05 April 2019 - 04:22 PM

Man.. Mayor Pete has risen to my number one pick for President so far.

https://www.youtube....h?v=y97QknIG-Eo

Lotta nothing speak and half measures here. Not only does trying to win over moderate Republicans just mean you’re a republican, but Hillary tried the same thing and lost more dem counties then she gained from reps. We’ve already seen that half measure healthcare like Obamacare can just be gutted and won’t amount to anything.

Yang is a dystopian technocrat and a CEO. UBI can be a very good thing or a very bad thing, and I don’t trust a CEO to do it right. In regards to the thousand dollars a month thing - he says everyone gets the 1k to save money on beurocracy. However he also says that any welfare payments will be deducted out of the 1k (which would take beurocracy to handle, so it looks like it can only afford beurocracy for the poor). So really Yang wants to give poor people ~300 a month (which is still good!) but the richest man to ever live 1000. Granted, if Bezos paid taxes he’d be losing more than that 1000. Point still stands though. UBI is a very very very complex topic and if implemented wrong could just maintain a massive unnecessariat living in extreme poverty.
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Posted 05 April 2019 - 04:39 PM

I didn't know about the welfare deductions on his UBI plan. I already didn't really trust/like him for basically the reasons you gave (extremely out-of-touch Silicon Valley type vibe basically).

The one thing I hate about UBI discussions (really more about job automation but that's what leads to UBI in Yang's case) is that the conversation is always framed as job automation being inevitable, like it's a force of nature we can't stop. But really, at any point we as a people can just say "let's not do that, actually". But that's never really part of the discussion, it's never questioned "Who does job automation benefit and should we allow it to continue unchecked?" 


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Posted 05 April 2019 - 05:04 PM

Automation could go so many different ways.

In a socialist society it’d just mean cutting everyone down to like a 10 hour work week with their full pay.

Instead we’re just gonna get mass unemployment and insane profit margins for CEOs tho.

In the short term it’ll still help a lot of people.
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Posted 05 April 2019 - 05:55 PM

 

 

 trying to win over moderate Republicans just mean you’re a republican

well, that's a hot take


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Posted 05 April 2019 - 06:10 PM

Well, that’s a non-statement

If your interests are in moving to the right to try and convince republicans to turn (they haven’t in the past) instead of mobilizing the massive massive number of disenfranchised voters or previous non-voters, you kinda start to show your true colors.
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Posted 05 April 2019 - 06:42 PM

I think it's hyperbolic, is that better?

 

I don't see why you have to move to the right to make an honest attempt to explain your viewpoint in ways people with values other than you might understand better.

 

Why not do both this and reach out to disenfranchised voters?  I don't agree these things are mutually exclusive.


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Posted 05 April 2019 - 07:35 PM

By trying to win them over I meant conceding to their usual demands, investing more time/money in campaigning and advertising in those areas.
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Posted 17 April 2019 - 07:15 AM

The one thing I hate about UBI discussions (really more about job automation but that's what leads to UBI in Yang's case) is that the conversation is always framed as job automation being inevitable, like it's a force of nature we can't stop. But really, at any point we as a people can just say "let's not do that, actually". But that's never really part of the discussion, it's never questioned "Who does job automation benefit and should we allow it to continue unchecked?" 

 

The one thing I hate about UBI discussions is I keep misreading them as UTI discussions and I don't want to have those discussions.


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Posted 17 April 2019 - 08:45 AM

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 07:04 AM

Did Barr just ragequit the presser? 

 

Jesus what a spectacular piece of human garbage. 


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 09:54 AM

Wow. So barr fucking lied to us the entire time.


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 11:04 AM

Of course he did. That's why he was hired. 


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 11:42 AM

[shocked Pikachu reaction]
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Posted 19 April 2019 - 07:10 AM

Wow. So barr fucking lied to us the entire time.

 

You honestly expected anything else?


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