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#91 Ryan8bit

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:59 AM

and secretly, I wanted to see people talking about old PC games again


I think all I play is old PC games. It just seems like there was more of a charm to them. They were less about graphics and game engines and more about gameplay. I am constantly playing Heroes of Might and Magic II on my laptop, and it never gets old.

Also, I think portability is awesome. Norg spoke of not being able to be where your PC is, but I've found that a laptop next to the kids' playroom is wonderful. Except they always want to play on it. My oldest daughter usually wants me to go to work so she can play games on there. :unsure:
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:09 AM


and secretly, I wanted to see people talking about old PC games again


I think all I play is old PC games. It just seems like there was more of a charm to them. They were less about graphics and game engines and more about gameplay. I am constantly playing Heroes of Might and Magic II on my laptop, and it never gets old.

Also, I think portability is awesome. Norg spoke of not being able to be where your PC is, but I've found that a laptop next to the kids' playroom is wonderful. Except they always want to play on it. My oldest daughter usually wants me to go to work so she can play games on there. :unsure:

yeah, my laptop is currently in the dining room and is kinda getting that same use out of it. now that my daughter has discovered the disney channel, it's not as easy for me to game it up on a console so the laptop works -sometimes-. until i get in trouble for having electronics on the dining room table... (:

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:20 PM


and secretly, I wanted to see people talking about old PC games again


I think all I play is old PC games. It just seems like there was more of a charm to them. They were less about graphics and game engines and more about gameplay. I am constantly playing Heroes of Might and Magic II on my laptop, and it never gets old.


Yeah, I'm pretty much the same in that the newest PC game I own is uh... Warcraft III? I've never really felt motivated to upgrade to a fancy new machine, except maaaaaaaaaybe to play Starcraft 2.

What used to be cool about PC games is that there were genres on the platform that you couldn't get on consoles. I'm kind of out of the loop, but it feels like PC games nowadays are just graphically superior versions of stuff on Xbox 360. Or MMORPGS (and I have zero interest in those). Am I way off base here, as far as PC game trends?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:24 PM

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:49 PM

What used to be cool about PC games is that there were genres on the platform that you couldn't get on consoles. I'm kind of out of the loop, but it feels like PC games nowadays are just graphically superior versions of stuff on Xbox 360. Or MMORPGS (and I have zero interest in those). Am I way off base here, as far as PC game trends?


As far as my current favorite game genre is concerned, yes you are wrong.

you can't get decent racing simulators on consoles, sorry folks, but GT5 and Forza4 are arcade racers.

At least when you compare it with the likes of GTR˛, Race07, Live for Speed, rFactor2, iRacing and pCars.
Motorracing is a passion of mine, and these kinda of games are exclusive for PCs. Which is why 80% of my gaming is PC gaming. The rest is played on my old Game Gear or the Master System.

I still can't think how consoles could handle stuff like the original Syndicate, flight simulators and space simulators. But yeah, most of the stuff nowdays, seems to be FPS or 3rd person action, just like the consoles.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:14 PM


What used to be cool about PC games is that there were genres on the platform that you couldn't get on consoles. I'm kind of out of the loop, but it feels like PC games nowadays are just graphically superior versions of stuff on Xbox 360. Or MMORPGS (and I have zero interest in those). Am I way off base here, as far as PC game trends?


As far as my current favorite game genre is concerned, yes you are wrong.

you can't get decent racing simulators on consoles, sorry folks, but GT5 and Forza4 are arcade racers.

At least when you compare it with the likes of GTR², Race07, Live for Speed, rFactor2, iRacing and pCars.
Motorracing is a passion of mine, and these kinda of games are exclusive for PCs.


Gotcha. Well, even then it's just a technically superior version (or different branch) of a genre that already exists.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:31 PM



What used to be cool about PC games is that there were genres on the platform that you couldn't get on consoles. I'm kind of out of the loop, but it feels like PC games nowadays are just graphically superior versions of stuff on Xbox 360. Or MMORPGS (and I have zero interest in those). Am I way off base here, as far as PC game trends?


As far as my current favorite game genre is concerned, yes you are wrong.

you can't get decent racing simulators on consoles, sorry folks, but GT5 and Forza4 are arcade racers.

At least when you compare it with the likes of GTR˛, Race07, Live for Speed, rFactor2, iRacing and pCars.
Motorracing is a passion of mine, and these kinda of games are exclusive for PCs.


Gotcha. Well, even then it's just a technically superior version (or different branch) of a genre that already exists.


Things I don't see on consoles: Dungeon crawlers, flight simulators, RTS (console attempts fall flat), sim-style game, Diablo-like action RPGs

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 04:39 PM




What used to be cool about PC games is that there were genres on the platform that you couldn't get on consoles. I'm kind of out of the loop, but it feels like PC games nowadays are just graphically superior versions of stuff on Xbox 360. Or MMORPGS (and I have zero interest in those). Am I way off base here, as far as PC game trends?


As far as my current favorite game genre is concerned, yes you are wrong.

you can't get decent racing simulators on consoles, sorry folks, but GT5 and Forza4 are arcade racers.

At least when you compare it with the likes of GTR², Race07, Live for Speed, rFactor2, iRacing and pCars.
Motorracing is a passion of mine, and these kinda of games are exclusive for PCs.


Gotcha. Well, even then it's just a technically superior version (or different branch) of a genre that already exists.


Things I don't see on consoles: Dungeon crawlers, flight simulators, RTS (console attempts fall flat), sim-style game, Diablo-like action RPGs


which are all genres that have always been historically mostly shit on consoles, and great on PC's. other than maybe Diablo-like action RPG's, of which there's arguably been many on consoles aside from the Roguelike elements.

don't get me wrong with my poking fun at Bonkers' post of technological googab and narwhals. my reasons for poking fun aren't because i'm anti-PC gaming (i'm certainly not) but more because the posts strike me as being so silly. maybe it's because i paid so much attention to the hardware wars in the late 90's/early 00's 3Dfx era where actually noticeable gigantic leaps and bounds were being made monthly in technology. since roughly when the 360 came out, graphical quality has pretty much hit a wall. what improvements in the PC market have been made mostly amount to a lot of bullshit buzzwords and barely perceptible flouncy nonsense that does little to actually improve the gameplay experience.

which is also why i love PC gaming so much right now- even a moderately low end machine like mine can play games like Skyrim and Arkham City at a completely acceptable detail level and framerate. i had roughly the same level\age of machine when Doom 3 came out, and it pretty much just sputtered and died. some blame consoles for "holding back" what PC games are capable of looking like today, but what the fuck ever. the leap between the next generation of consoles is going to be absolutely miniscule compared to the leaps we've seen before.

the bloated high-risk financial juggernauts that AAA gee-whiz games have become seems to have finally reached their inevitable zenith and downfall, and that's inevitably going to be great news for PC gamers. the wealth of fucking amazing independent games on Steam has been awesome for the last couple years, and it's only going to get better. the best part? they're largely going to be completely accessible to anyone with a working semi-modern computer. so long, master race.

um, all that said, most of what i've been playing lately has been older adventure games and replaying Fallout 1/2.

has anyone else played Blade Runner? the game from 1997. if you're not familiar, it's a side-story to the movie and doesn't star Harrison Ford's character. my first playthrough of it was pretty recent, but also struck me as kind of boring. the game has a lot of random elements to help give a genre that's known for lacking replay value a bit of a boost in the department. that playthrough handed me what seemed to be the least exciting turns of events possible. this time, however, it's been a lot better AND has made a lot more sense plot-wise. it's definitely worth checking out by whatever means necessary, even if it isn't nearly as sharp as the source material it's related to.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:19 PM

I loved TIE fighter when I first got a PC and remember buying X-wing vs. TIE and seeing the setup screen thinking "HOLY SHIT, LOOK AT THOSE GRAPHICS", then I played the game and it lacked all of TIE Fighter's charm. On the other hand, I also liked Dark Forces and when I got Jedi Knight thought "WOW, THIS LOOKS GREAT!" and then I played it and found it to be the best game LucasArts ever put out (I never played the point and click adventure games). I think the newest PC game I have is Doom 3 and I only bought it because I was such a fan of the previous Id titles.

This thread appears to be turning into a PC nostalgia thread... with good reason.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:32 PM

Developers have stretched the 360 hardware to the limit by now and graphics would seriously benefit from an upgrade. We could get better looking games with more going on and higher framerates including all the rendering polish that's available now but left off because it would send the framerate into the pits (better FSAA, anisotropic filtering and 32 bit color to name a few that I definitely notice and know the name of... soft shadows that aren't a dithered mess would be nice also).

HOWEVER, I seriously doubt we will get that. Instead, they will overload games with more detail and polygons and they'll still leave the damn FSAA low, cut corners in resolution, leave some elements at too low a bit rate (creating color banding when fades occur). I'll be happy to more prerendered video replaced with real-time scenes as well... if only because the black level on compressed video is usually wrong and whenever they try to do a fade out or fade in it looks like complete ass (compressed video sucks balls at that).

Yeah... so untrained eyes may not notice a huge leap between late gen 360 games and early 720 games, but I certainly will. Honestly, Bonkers screen shots have me salivating... that is some *clean* rendering.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:38 PM

Gotcha. Well, even then it's just a technically superior version (or different branch) of a genre that already exists.


Technically superior in the gameplay part, because graphically, they're not that good, in fact, they resemble PS2 games, mostly. But yeah, it's a old genre, for sure.



Man, X-Wing was one game. Then TIE Fighter blew it out of the water, better graphics, better gameplay, better everything. So, i was too eager to play X-wing Vs. TIE fighter, and like you, i too think the lacks the appeal of TIE Fighter.

That said, imho Day of the Tentacle is the best Lucasart game, and if you like the genre (point and click adventure) you should give it a try.




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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:25 PM

Developers have stretched the 360 hardware to the limit by now and graphics would seriously benefit from an upgrade. We could get better looking games with more going on and higher framerates including all the rendering polish that's available now but left off because it would send the framerate into the pits (better FSAA, anisotropic filtering and 32 bit color to name a few that I definitely notice and know the name of... soft shadows that aren't a dithered mess would be nice also).

HOWEVER, I seriously doubt we will get that. Instead, they will overload games with more detail and polygons and they'll still leave the damn FSAA low, cut corners in resolution, leave some elements at too low a bit rate (creating color banding when fades occur). I'll be happy to more prerendered video replaced with real-time scenes as well... if only because the black level on compressed video is usually wrong and whenever they try to do a fade out or fade in it looks like complete ass (compressed video sucks balls at that).

Yeah... so untrained eyes may not notice a huge leap between late gen 360 games and early 720 games, but I certainly will. Honestly, Bonkers screen shots have me salivating... that is some *clean* rendering.

Yeah, that's what I hate. We NEED stuff like AA, higher bit-depth and better AF(Which ironically comes at 0 performance cost on most modern day GPUs). It's one of the worse things about games in a digital medium. Especially ones that are trying to be "Realistic" We dont' have pixel fine detail or aliasing in real life, we don't have color banding and we don't lose detail on surfaces with obscure/obtuse angles.


Current games that have PC versions look so much better with just having decent AA. I don't know why it's so hard for console manufacturers to put hardware in Consoles that have decent GPU bandwidth and memory so we can afford higher quality images. And honestly, I would not mind at all paying for a new console that is high end for 600-700$ that offers a significant improvement in every area of games. And one that will have more headroom for the future.

If developers can squeeze as much out of the GPU's that are in the PS3 and 360 at this point. Imagine what they'll be able to get out of hardware that isn't super bottlenecking or bandwidth limited.


Also: You mentioned something about jittered shadows Rize, most console games at least have pretty terrible shadow filtering solutions and the low shadow map resolution doesn't help. Plus some Engines just don't do shadows all that well(UE3 for example until their new DX11 Shadow techniques) Crysis 1/Crysis Warhead/Crysis 2 have probably the most perfect looking real time shadows out there.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:25 PM

you know what game looked really cool? Starcraft.

i hope someday that, much like the faux-retro 8/16 bit games we get now, we'll have games that look like pre-rendered cutscenes. but not, like, the cool, modern pre-rendered cutscenes that are like basically short movies. i want games that look like this:



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or if we're really lucky



purposefully, and in real time. fuck realism and realistic character models. give me texture repetition, awkward facial shapes and poor ray tracing.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 04:45 AM

has anyone else played Blade Runner? the game from 1997. if you're not familiar, it's a side-story to the movie and doesn't star Harrison Ford's character. my first playthrough of it was pretty recent, but also struck me as kind of boring. the game has a lot of random elements to help give a genre that's known for lacking replay value a bit of a boost in the department. that playthrough handed me what seemed to be the least exciting turns of events possible. this time, however, it's been a lot better AND has made a lot more sense plot-wise. it's definitely worth checking out by whatever means necessary, even if it isn't nearly as sharp as the source material it's related to.


one of my favorite games ever, no joke. i actually bought it for my dad for christmas the year it came out.

i wish more people had played it, because it is a really nice addition to the blade runner story.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:50 AM


has anyone else played Blade Runner? the game from 1997. if you're not familiar, it's a side-story to the movie and doesn't star Harrison Ford's character. my first playthrough of it was pretty recent, but also struck me as kind of boring. the game has a lot of random elements to help give a genre that's known for lacking replay value a bit of a boost in the department. that playthrough handed me what seemed to be the least exciting turns of events possible. this time, however, it's been a lot better AND has made a lot more sense plot-wise. it's definitely worth checking out by whatever means necessary, even if it isn't nearly as sharp as the source material it's related to.


one of my favorite games ever, no joke. i actually bought it for my dad for christmas the year it came out.

i wish more people had played it, because it is a really nice addition to the blade runner story.


Yes, also one of my favorite games ever. It was so different for me because I was mostly a console gamer before playing it, so the sudden twists and turns and spontaneous events that occurred in the game were very new to me.



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