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[Bonkers]

I'm surprised to see support from you guys. I appreciate it.

Apparently it's going to the Panel and who knows how it could go from there. I won't hold my breath. In the meantime I need to get around to making a gameplay synchronized video for youtube or someshit I dunno.

I had all the footage at one time but I got lazy and tired of waiting for myself to get around to doing it. So I deleted most of it. Oops.

[Arm Cannon]

I know they've always been pretty shitty about mega-medleys, and its understandable. I feel like PuD made it through because it's only 2 songs really, and both of them are quite quite long as far as VGmusic goes. I dunno, I've always just known that OCRemix wants songs that fit into their mold, and I could see this song fitting slightly outside their mold.

Pretty much you made a song that would make Goat take a bow IMO. Well maybe if you took one more guitar solo

[Chernabogue]

Bonkers is AWESOME. Passed or not. That's it.

[FoxxDragon]

Recently I came to finally put into words how I look at OCR: They're the Radio of the VG scene.

That doesn't mean that if your song doesn't get on radio that it's crap, and by the same token it doesn't mean that everything on the radio is great. But there is certainly a mold that radio has, and you'll often find songs you hear on the radio were actually stripped down or modified to fit radio's mold. It's not better or worse, it's just how they do it. Thats OCR in a nutshell.

It doesn't make sense to really complain about it, but it's important to understand it. Just keep doing what you want to do and if it's more songs like this, which get rejected? Then great. Don't change yourself to fit the mold. Situations like this are why there is so much outcry for alternatives. Not because OCR is awful, but just to allow stuff that doesn't fit into their mold, to exist and be accessible.

It makes me sad when I see people shredding up their songs in order to get on OCR- and subsequently getting upset about the fact they can't. OCR should want YOUR music, not the other way around.

[OverCoat]

Get your music played by JMR or KyleJCrb on their vg music shows instead [speaking of radio ]

[Bahamut]

Recently I came to finally put into words how I look at OCR: They're the Radio of the VG scene.

That doesn't mean that if your song doesn't get on radio that it's crap, and by the same token it doesn't mean that everything on the radio is great. But there is certainly a mold that radio has, and you'll often find songs you hear on the radio were actually stripped down or modified to fit radio's mold. It's not better or worse, it's just how they do it. Thats OCR in a nutshell.

It doesn't make sense to really complain about it, but it's important to understand it. Just keep doing what you want to do and if it's more songs like this, which get rejected? Then great. Don't change yourself to fit the mold. Situations like this are why there is so much outcry for alternatives. Not because OCR is awful, but just to allow stuff that doesn't fit into their mold, to exist and be accessible.

It makes me sad when I see people shredding up their songs in order to get on OCR- and subsequently getting upset about the fact they can't. OCR should want YOUR music, not the other way around.

I think it's a fairly accurate description, although without necessarily the negative connotation the radio has. OCR is about promoting vgm as an artform, and that is a challenge in itself - the site's longevity speaks to how well of a balance it struck.

The site doesn't want artists to 'butcher' their songs. I think the healthiest attitude to take is that an artist should be inspired to arrange the song(s) how they see fit, and if it passes the panel, that's great, and if not, that's alright. It's never anything personal.

[Chernabogue]

Kyle, you next radio show should be a BONKERS special.

[Brandon Strader]

Kyle, you next radio show should be a BONKERS special.

Kyle should host an awesome FF1 listening party, it will have 2 incredible BONKERS songs on it <-- no kidding! And they both passed the OCR panel after a bit of, as mentioned earlier, slicing or chopping? Or augmenting, whatever you could call it. They're mind-blowingly good.

[Bonkers]

I know they've always been pretty shitty about mega-medleys, and its understandable. I feel like PuD made it through because it's only 2 songs really, and both of them are quite quite long as far as VGmusic goes. I dunno, I've always just known that OCRemix wants songs that fit into their mold, and I could see this song fitting slightly outside their mold.

Pretty much you made a song that would make Goat take a bow IMO. Well maybe if you took one more guitar solo

Yeah well I probably could've done that(add some more wankery) and changed some of the production (some EQ stuff and whatnot,knowing what I know now I could've done a lot more to fit the low end material in better. Especially since I used a Tape-bus plugin during mastering that does quite a bit of smearing)and added things to the arrangement looking back on it now.

I just gotta leave it as it is right now though and let history be history. People can enjoy it as it is and that's good enough.

I really gotta thank Erik though for coming through with the guitar solo. He really nailed that and made the ending transition amazing.

Edit: Please don't do any kind of radio show about me lol. Most of my old material is too bad to be a showcase!

There should be 2 FFI songs coming out soon on OCR and i'm working on a rendition of Dan's Theme from SFA for Capcom's SF 25th anniversary thing. As well i'm thinking of doing a 10-12 Song 25th Anniversary album for Mega Man soon.

My skills are good enough now that I should be churning out more worthwhile material.

Double edit: Yesterday I had written something about the whole(But I deleted it before posting, fearing it would start arguements or something) "It doesn't make sense to really complain about it, but it's important to understand it. Just keep doing what you want to do and if it's more songs like this, which get rejected? Then great. Don't change yourself to fit the mold. Situations like this are why there is so much outcry for alternatives. Not because OCR is awful, but just to allow stuff that doesn't fit into their mold, to exist and be accessible.

It makes me sad when I see people shredding up their songs in order to get on OCR- and subsequently getting upset about the fact they can't. OCR should want YOUR music, not the other way around."

They should put some reasonable guidelines for acceptable arrangement if they truly don't want us to make music how we like. Because then it's Subjective territory and that's what it feels like. So it should be in plain sight and well known to anyone who wants to submit a song that they may reject it because they simply don't like medleys. Whether they have good transitions or not.

[Brandon Strader]

Tape eh? Was it ferox? I've used tape saturation plugins before, they can be really good or cause lots of problems.

I didn't notice problems in TGON. In fact I would hope someday to have the mental clarity and skill to produce something as good as TGON.

So I would consider it an attack against musical progression (and progressive music) to deny it for not having a repetitive, radio structure.

And that's not something I have ever wanted to strive for, and I feel like over the last 2 years, have fallen into producing music in a radio structure -- maybe out of laziness. I don't know. But it is not what I set out to do, not exclusively at least.

EDIT: It just popped into my head but Dance of Descent by Izkemia from FF1 was a medley with A - B - C - D - E - F - A - G - H - I etc structure and it PASSED the panel. There is enough precedent involved to say that denying medleys simply for being a medley is bullshit.

OCR: Begrudgingly Accepting (Certain) Medleys

Edited by Brandon Strader, 22 April 2012 - 03:28 PM.

[Brandon Strader]

I promise I am not going to postANY WHERE ELSE on thie Shizz tonight.. because I said stuff I should not have said but I neede to say this 1 statement because it is EXTREMELY Important.

"If you judge the OCR judges based on their own musical abilities or accomplishments, their decisions become a lot more trivial"

and that is all... really sums up the whole thing nice and neat imo

[Bonkers]

er, i'm guessing since it's in quotations someone else said that? Or are you just putting quotations for fun lol?

[Brandon Strader]

I don't know if quotations are ever employed for fun, these ones were employed for scathing truth!!!

[KyleJCrb]

"If you judge the OCR judges based on their own musical abilities or accomplishments, their decisions become a lot more trivial"

Well, I guess scoring indie and AAA titles, having their music featured in TV shows and movies, and going on to work in the music industry with DAW developers and as professional musicians is pretty trivial.


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[Bonkers]