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[wizardcombat]

YOWZA!

[Ashane]

This was already discussed in 11:60, but yeah, Dave's right. Do some research on Fast and Furious, MK-ULTRA, and the history of false flags. These aren't conspiracy theories. This stuff actually happened.

[wizardcombat]

Sorry. I just noticed the Mustaine posts in 11:60.

[Nick The Newbie]

Dave's right. Do some research on Fast and Furious, MK-ULTRA, and the history of false flags. These aren't conspiracy theories. This stuff actually happened.

lolashane

[Ken Oh]

This was already discussed in 11:60, but yeah, Dave's right. Do some research on Fast and Furious, MK-ULTRA, and the history of false flags. These aren't conspiracy theories. This stuff actually happened.

Are you sure you know what the word "conspiracy" means, if those aren't conspiracy theories?

[Nick The Newbie]

It's only a conspiracy theory if it's a crazy person talking about it. These are real things and they actually happened. Obama personally ordered the movie theater and sikh shootings. That is a proven and well-known fact.

[matsunami]

[Ashane]

This was already discussed in 11:60, but yeah, Dave's right. Do some research on Fast and Furious, MK-ULTRA, and the history of false flags. These aren't conspiracy theories. This stuff actually happened.

Are you sure you know what the word "conspiracy" means, if those aren't conspiracy theories?

Yeah. Something can be a conspiracy without being a theory as well bro. One of the most famous false flags of the 20th century was when Hitler burned the Reichstag in Berlin and then blamed it on his political enemies. The Gulf of Tonkin incident which is what propelled us into the Vietnam War was declassified in recent years as not actually happening.

Like I said, not "conspiracy theories". All of those things I mentioned have actual documented history. If governments are willing to ship guns to Mexico and acknowledge that having people murdered was part of the plan as in Fast and Furious, you think they wouldn't drug up and mind control some patsy to carry out a mass shooting so they could ramp up gun control? Oh, those are just conspiracy theories!

It's only a conspiracy theory if it's a crazy person talking about it. These are real things and they actually happened. Obama personally ordered the movie theater and sikh shootings. That is a proven and well-known fact.

If you knew a bit about Mustaine's political background, you'd know he wasn't referring to Obama himself, but the big banksters behind the curtain that control him. And I never said these recent shootings have proof as to who's actually behind them. They definitely reek of suspicion though. My point is there's a lot of historically documented false flags that you can't refute. It's not a new political strategy.

[cetera]

i've been super frustrated with all things "truth" lately

back in like 2004 i saw some light 911 weirdness videos online. i was like wtf? and kind of scared but thrilled.
then i saw loose change and i was luck WTFFF??! scared, thrilled, and angry.
then i saw alex jones' MARTIAL LAW. it was so powerful to me. i believed everything. my life was changed.

thats when things stopped being fun.

i started listening to Alex's radio show, and watching more conspiracy videos on every possible subject.
i was in full TRUTHER mode.
thats when i started having problems.
•when i tried to tell the people that i loved and convert them to my thinking, they would say hmm interesting but really take no interest. or they would believe the evidence but never embrace it because they were afraid of what people would think of them.
•when i tried to tell the people that i respected, they would quickly shoot me down with solid counter-arguments. i had already spent so long gathering my initial arguments, that it took me too long to find a rebuttal for them. big time fail.
•when i tried to tell the public IRL via activism, i was laughed at.
•i met a girl who was completely into conspiracy stuff, she was hot, but she turned out to be kind of not fun to hang out with unless you were talking about truth stuff and then she would spout off stuff in a cross-eyed fashion. in fact most of the people who did listen to me were generally horrible.
•i watched ron paul get completely jokified in BRUNO.
it was a weird turning point, because up until then i always had this internal struggle, namely: why am i supporting someone whose written ideas i like most of but the real life version of them is laughable far from who i am. then i thought about how much of what i wanted ron paul to be was actually just projected by my own subconscious.
•then alex jones' OWN false flag ops started to get to me. and not just his but various conspiracy people that i followed. there would always be a new scare. enough to keep you paranoid and living in fear for sure. i found myself printing out manuals and burning discs and stashing them and looking out the window at night expecting mushroom clouds.

i got pretty discouraged. and when i started getting pretty heavy into making music, my fervor completely faded.
it takes a lot of time and effort being a truther. you gotta get up every day and read the articles. and you gotta know all of world history. then you gotta know all of ACTUAL history. and you gotta have obscure articles ready to reference because everything on wikipedia is innocuous.
staying on top of this is impossible for a guy like me who didn't pay attention in history class, and can't even memorize his own song lyrics.

the understood thing here is that the government is a tool of the elite who seek dominate and use the common person. i still believe this. i don't trust the federal government for a second on any issue. i don't believe that they care for me at all. why should they? how does fighting for middle class help them ever? it's the least lucrative endeavor.
i watched the movement grow from the sidelines. i was happy that they didn't need me to still do their thing.
but it felt like things weren't turning around.
how could they?
when you have a war on against you, no matter how mad and pumped you are, you can't ever hope to win the war if you have no actual battles to fight.
our anger makes us formidable and that's why the USA could fight the british or whatever. that's why mass rebellions can be powerful against egotistical rulers.

we fought and won against outright tyranny, so thats not how our current oppressors operate.
they have mastered the incremental approach. they don't even need to do anything, really, except feed money into a machine that seeks to dominate itself: the human race. subsidize weakness and stupidity, and they become the norm.
why should they round up people into camps, when we already want to live in high-rise complexes where we have no control over the thermostat?
it's hard to cite good examples, because everything you isolate and present seems small. that is by design. we have no argument for ourselves, because nothing has been done to us. all the astute person can do is look at how we live and compare it to how we used to live and say WTF.
and then look again at modern life and realize that the only way out is to get completely off the grid. don't play the game if they control the rules.

my peace of mind has been a lot higher since i basically stopped caring about what happens to me. i admit defeat right now.
i know i made some noise a while back about our ways of participating in the political system being obsolete. i feel it now more than ever.
every time i see someone say "write your congressperson" or "call your local officials office and let them know…" …i fucking want to puke. it takes me 2 years to even write my GRANDMOM. i can't stand the fact that those are our means. signing petitions and gathering on the corner with signs, looking like complete assholes. i want to laugh and cry. i see how people can be empowered using the internet, and i see just how much of that power is missing when it comes to our own lives.
don't think for a second that congress even has to exist anymore. why would it?? the only argument is that people are too stupid to decide anything for themselves. that sounds good on the surface, but i don't think it holds any water in the long run.

[Ashane]

I feel ya dude. The elites have succeeded in completely dumbing down the public, so I'm pretty dunzo on trying to reach out to people politically. America deserves whatever happens to them. That's why I'm expatriating soon. Not gonna go down with a sinking ship.

[Guy In Rubber Suit]

It certainly gets harder to support Megadeth when Mustaine keeps opening his paranoid, misinformed mouth.

When you're suspicious of government, a lot of things start to seem 'suspicious'. The government has done a lot of shitty things but it has done a lot of good as well.

I would like some evidence of any government involvement conspiracy with the recent Aurora, Colorado and Sikh temple shootings. Please, point me to some evidence that confirm your suspicions of government involvement. Especially since Obama has not done anything to enact further gun control laws.

[joe.distort]

Especially since Obama has not done anything to enact further gun control laws.

this is a point of confusion for me as well.

im no Obama backer, because in reality he is mostly as shitty as every other politician, but the guy at least makes small differences that may not mean a sweeping change but its still different than 'planned parenthood? were gonna get rid of THAT!'. like, who the fuck is that helping? 'yeah, its a good thing women with no health insurance cant get healthcare!' anyone with a woman in their life (ie: everyone) should be ashamed of supporting that idea. i had some mormon girl try to explain to me that she doesnt care about defunding PP because she still is on her parents health insurance and is in school for a business degree so 'she wont ever have to worry about having insurance anyway, people just want to take my money'

ugh this has been bothering me more than it should

[weener]

A lot of people seek out conspiracy theories because it makes them feel powerful to think that they are in on a secret that most other people are unaware of. It's exciting to think that there's all this hidden stuff going in the world, and only smart people like them are special enough to know the truth.

I guess my personal "conspiracy theory" is that there's nothing that can't be explained by science and the natural laws of our world, even if we can't explain it right this instant.

If there is no evidence for something, it is probably not true, not carefully concealed by powerful people who don't want you to know about it. The bad news is that the world is a sucky place, but the good news is that it's not usually sucky in some mysterious, secretive way.

If something purports to solve all of your problems, whether it's a new prescription drug, or a natural remedy, or an extreme diet, or a magnetic bracelet from Walgreens, it's not true. Sorry. Nothing will solve all your problems, even if it feels good to think so, and people make a lot of money off people's hope to the contrary.

Developing critical thinking skills, basic scientific knowledge and media savviness is much easier than keeping up with every possibility that a person with an opinion happens to vocalize. It makes it easier to judge whether something is plausible and worth your attention.

[Arm Cannon]

THANK YOU

[Spookmeister C]

Tell me something.
It's still "we, the people" rrrrright?