Oh man I have been resisting this thread bc I had a feeling someone would post Dirty Loops and I would get all riled up but here we are...
I don't really think you can call Dirty Loops "pop."
My main beef with Dirty Loops is that everyone gasses them up to be "pop" but they aren't really.
To me being a pop artist means that you're part of pop culture aka you are actually "POPULAR". You have to be cool, sexy, and what all the kids are talking about and Dirty Loops have never been those things. I have never once been to a club (and I've been to SEVERAL lmao) and heard people freak out and lose their minds because a Dirty Loops song came on they just HAD to get to the dance floor. Has anybody made a viral tiktok to a Dirty Loops song? Has a Dirty Loops song ever been a meme? At the end of the day Dirty Loops is just shit that people who #wentoberklee like. Can it really be a pop song if it's 8 minutes long? Honestly no.
These songs are about 9 billion times more musical/prog than Dirty Loops IMHO:
All of these have really sophisticated chord changes + arrangement but it never waves them in your face. You almost forget about how technically good the song is because the song doesn't forget to be a banger.
Dirty Loops have insane wizard level chops and I'm sure they are lovely people but they aren't pop