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[chadk]

cough coubullshitcough

ok so i guess the big controversy is that the critics think that her parents are somehow helping her.

well i guess and that would definately be wrong but to me it's more like

artists are schooled in the elements and principles of design, figurative, perspective different medias as well as art movements, thus their need for rebelion form the old schools, they had seen all the history and want to do something different. because with time things become cliche, thus stemed art movements such as impressionism, expressionsim, cubism and abstrationism then abstract expressionism.

they used their schooled knowledge to create sucessfully composed artwork that was pushing some sort of envelope that many may say "hey my kid brother could do that", and yea sure maybe your kid brother could do something similar but could your "kid" brother sucessfully justify his meaning or intention to a panal of art critics as well as justify it's aesthetic? could your kid brother even spell aesthetic let alone give a definition?

which brings me back to the alleged 4 year old picasso, so i guess i would consider it art and meaningfull for society if said kid inherently knows the elements and principles of design, figurative, perspective different medias as well as art movements as well as trying to commuicate some commentary on self society or the state of art itself.

otherwise this kids parents are doing a grave injustice to their daughters future. i mean what happens when this kid grows up and still can't draw for shit, thats an awful lot of preasure to force on a child. it reminds me of the olympics

either that or i'm just jealous, yea ok i'm jealous stupid little brat kid

[transonic]

Do you have a link to information about the situation you are discussing? I haven't heard of this prodigy.

You bring up a good question--are young children able to discern the nuances of form and composition and all the other artistic considerations that artists consciously or unconsiously think about when creating their art?

In the past, it seems there have been many child prodigies in music--young asians playing the violin is what comes to mind. Whereas, there are not many prodigies who are poets--althjough I have heard of one boy recently who seems to write good poetry. My explanation for this is that when playing music--the notes are a code to be followed strictly--which a child is capable of--it's like following instructions someone else left for you. However, in the case of poetry and painting--unless you are copying a master, painting by numbers, or plagiarising--you are pretty much coming up with your artisitc content out of the blue. Poetry and visual art start off as abstract ideas to which an artist gives form. It is my belief that children can be good copiers of art, and can have occasional accidental masterpieces--like in photography--by virtue of their not having the filters in their brain that we do--filters that say, "you can't do that." I don't think a child is capable of creating a body of work that has a purpose, presents a certain aethetic, or that tries "to commuicate some commentary on self, society or the state of art itself".

There are exceptions to everything. Ruby (RIP), the elephant at the Phoenix Zoo, painted and would choose colors from situations she had been in--like being visited by a girl in a blue sweater and then using a similair blue in her subsequent painting. Or Mozart, who did compose music from abstract ideas--but still fit those compositions into traditional classical forms. But I am still incredulous about child artists. I think someone at least has to be in their teens before they have the ability to transform abstract thoughts into their own vision of the world and express it through various media.

Thanks for the food for thought.

[jhealy]

Kid may be a Genius and does in fact understand the basis of what she's drawing and in fact should be discussed in the national/worldwide media, because a 4-year old genius is definitely something to discuss.

But, odds are that Kid is simply messing around and dribbling paint on canvas, not knowing why or what she is trying to accomplish. This coincides with a lot of what is going down around us every day at many different age levels. I AM AN ARTIST, I AM A VOCALIST, I AM A GUITAR PLAYER, etc. , etc.

So, do you have to understand the forums past to challenge yourself to make changes in that forums future?

[DoctorShumway]

Doesn't matter. Whatever she does, however she does it, it doesn't matter because it's not as bad as a dog doing it.

I hate this fucking dog so damn much. Even more so when I picture all the art world fawning over the crap it makes. Check the american flag one for extra anger.

[woodman]

You might hate that dog, but you gotta love Diane the American Swimmer (on Mars!!).

[chadk]

i would suggest typing her name into google. you will find both sides, smart and stupid

i guess what it comes down to is that we live in a capitalistic society where people are willing to exploit their 4 year old children for fame and money

those who can, DO

those who can't, live vicariously through their children

the kid is not a genius, if she was she would have displayed recordable talent through artwork before she became bored with with it, then began to push the boundries of what is art,

you don't just start at pushing the envelope before you prove yourself, a tip many artists of all ages should learn from.

but then again, art isn't really about how much talent you have anymore it's about who you know.

[DoctorShumway]

You might hate that dog, but you gotta love Diane the American Swimmer (on Mars!!).

I've been sitting here like this for about 5 minutes now. This is the best site ever made. Shut down the internet and go home. We're done here.

EDIT: A TILLAMOOK CHEDDAR LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO LONGER THE BEST SITE EVER!

[woodman]

Sorry Dr.

[chadk]

now this is art.........

[ladydemon]

whatever Chad... I know Jen does all your artwork.

[ladydemon]

I would also like to say that I've got a 4year old neice.
Oona Rowan, she paints and considers herself an artist,
as well that's what she wants to be when she grows up. GROWS UP.

I watched her work on 4 paintings today. One was created for me.
and while she has an impressive eye for color I don't think a 4
year old can grasp the artistic concepts I see being presented on
Marla's gallery on her website. Let alone the pretentious titles.

"Ode to Pollock," please.

anyone remember the young girl, about 10 years ago being sold as the new Picasso?
I forget her name, but she was tagged to do the Olympics sign, or something involved
with the Olympics... that was a load of shit and I agree with everything ChadK said in
his initial post... except the jealousy part.

[ladydemon]

fuck now i'm stuck on this

[DoctorShumway]

fuck now i'm stuck on this

1. That painting looks like a photo run through the watercolor filter in Photoshop.

2. She's obviously not that fucking great if she appears on the Wayne Brady show.

[Shervz0r]

I'm so confused

[chadk]

anyone remember the young girl, about 10 years ago being sold as the new Picasso?
I forget her name, but she was tagged to do the Olympics sign, or something involved

she at least had ability and dission making skills, what ever happend to that girl?

i showed my students a video on her once........once