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[Nil_Failstorm]

Now that we've finally got our PA, I'm trying to set up a few shows before the end of the year for this Friday 12/21, Saturday 12/22, and New Year's Eve.

Right now I've only got Cutthroat Freakshow and John Denver's Last Flight for Friday 12/21. The other two nights are vacant so far.

Standard $5 cover. Bands keep 100% of the door. Since they're shows that I'm trying to put together there are no fees at all for the bands.

So I wanted to see if any of you might be interested in jumping on to one of the shows. Let me know if you are.

Thanks,
NIL

[Quezo]

Since they're shows that I'm trying to put together there are no fees at all for the bands.

There are going to be fees?

Since when is this L.A.? It's Guadalupe and Rural fer chrissakes!

I know, I know. Back off on Nil.

But jeez, next we'll have to sell 75 pre-paid tickets to even get a show there again.

Oh wait..... I get it. It's the Haunted Castle and he's trying to scare us.

Good one!

[unluckycharm]

you're being vistited by the ghost of Franco past

[Quezo]

you're being vistited by the ghost of Franco past

Hey Nil, you don't wear clogs do you?

[bisbee slim]

whatever happened to franco?

[Nil_Failstorm]

Damn, lightning fast attacks.

Wasn't Franco's phrase they quoted him in New Times, "Bite the biggie one."

Maybe "fees" is the wrong word.


Industry standard that I've always partaken in is that the bands normally cover the expense for their share of the security and the sound guy costs.

Venues like The Sets have a "making bar" requirement. The Sets' is $2500. If they don't make $2500 at the bar they take out the difference from the bands' door charge. So say if they only make $2000 at the bar, they will take $500 out of the door money before paying the bands. That's why every show at The Sets is $10-15 for local bands, it's the only way the bands have a chance of breaking even.

Others have "room fees" which, depending on the place, can be charged in addition to the above costs while others include security and/or sound costs in their room fee. Modified has their flat "room fee" which I believe covers everything. But since I serve alcohol I've got all the extra rules dealing with security.

And places like the Big Fish would charge an underage fee. Since the underage kids can't drink, and they never try to sell them soda or water, venues will tack on an extra charge PER PERSON for every underager coming in. Big Fish used to charge an extra $3 per underager. That's why you'd see flyers that said $7 for 21+ and $10 for underage. I'd put on shows at venues like that where the bands would keep it at a single price, and just take the hit out of their door money so that the underagers wouldn't get charged.

I will never have a "making bar" fee.
I will never have a room fee.
I will never have an underage fee.

Down the line I'll end up charging for the cost of sound and security, but this usually isn't more than $40 for a band, depending on the size of the show. It just starts getting expensive when you've got 4-5 security guys and a sound guy to work the shows. And once bands have established themselves as being able to draw decent crowds, I won't even charge for that. I've got friends in bands who I'll never charge anything to come out and play because I know they usually bring in a good crowd and they are always promoting their asses off and giving their all to each show they play.


The bands get to keep 100% of the door. So down the line, if a band brings in 100 people, they just made $500 on a show with a $5 door cover, minus $40 or so for a sound guy and security. Last I heard, Modified's flat room fee is still around $160-180. So if you have a show with 4 bands, that's a breakdown of $40-45 per band.


And *NO* I don't wear clogs. hehe

[Nil_Failstorm]

Since they're shows that I'm trying to put together there are no fees at all for the bands.

There are going to be fees?

Since when is this L.A.? It's Guadalupe and Rural fer chrissakes!

I know, I know. Back off on Nil.

But jeez, next we'll have to sell 75 pre-paid tickets to even get a show there again.

Oh wait..... I get it. It's the Haunted Castle and he's trying to scare us.

Good one!

Oh man, I'd completely even forgotten about when some of the venues pulled that crap with the pre-paid tickets. What a freakin' nightmare that was for the bands who I knew that got suckered into that scam.

Now if a band wants to print up tickets themselves and pre-sell them, that's fine. Like I said, all the door money goes to the bands anyway. I just need to know beforehand what I'm looking for so I don't have people writing, "ONE FREE ADMISSION" on a post-it note.

You could give the tickets all away for free if you wanted. Or try that as an incentive to get random strangers out to a show; might be more effective than just handing them a flyer. I had one band that had been playing a lot of shows in a short amount of time, so when they jumped onto my show last minute they just gave the tickets out to their fans for free as a way of saying thanks for supporting us.

[JAN HAVELOCK]

Since they're shows that I'm trying to put together there are no fees at all for the bands.

There are going to be fees?

Since when is this L.A.? It's Guadalupe and Rural fer chrissakes!

I know, I know. Back off on Nil.

But jeez, next we'll have to sell 75 pre-paid tickets to even get a show there again.

Oh wait..... I get it. It's the Haunted Castle and he's trying to scare us.

Good one!

Are you a friend of Nil Failstorm, Kurt Havelock? If so we are looking for his friends to email character letters on his behalf to the public defender Jeffery_Williams@FD.ORG Kurt is going to be sentenced for mailing a threatening letter in the federal mailbox and can get up to 5 years prison. Please if you know him or any of his friends please ask them to email a character letter. thanks

[JAN HAVELOCK]

you're being vistited by the ghost of Franco past

Are you a friend of Kurt Havelock, known as Nil Failstorm? If so we are looking for his friends to email a character letter to the public defender before Aug 25th. Kurt was found guilty of mailing a threatening letter in the federal mailbox and might get up to 5 years hard time. If you personally know him please email your character letter today to Jeffrey_Williams@FD.ORG Thank you also if you know any of his other friends please ask them to email a character letter.

[unluckycharm]

you're being vistited by the ghost of Franco past

Are you a friend of Kurt Havelock, known as Nil Failstorm? If so we are looking for his friends to email a character letter to the public defender before Aug 25th. Kurt was found guilty of mailing a threatening letter in the federal mailbox and might get up to 5 years hard time. If you personally know him please email your character letter today to Jeffrey_Williams@FD.ORG Thank you also if you know any of his other friends please ask them to email a character letter.

Unfortunately, no I was not a friend nor have I ever met Kurt. So any letter I write would be useless ~ I'm just a guy behind a computer keyboard looking at the net. Good luck on your efforts, sounds like Kurt needs counseling.

[JAN HAVELOCK]

you're being vistited by the ghost of Franco past

Are you a friend of Kurt Havelock, known as Nil Failstorm? If so we are looking for his friends to email a character letter to the public defender before Aug 25th. Kurt was found guilty of mailing a threatening letter in the federal mailbox and might get up to 5 years hard time. If you personally know him please email your character letter today to Jeffrey_Williams@FD.ORG Thank you also if you know any of his other friends please ask them to email a character letter.

Unfortunately, no I was not a friend nor have I ever met Kurt. So any letter I write would be useless ~ I'm just a guy behind a computer keyboard looking at the net. Good luck on your efforts, sounds like Kurt needs counseling.

thank you