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[mothrock]

Jennifer Newhouse
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[thebiggameover]

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THERE IS NO SPOON...

[/Mr DNA/]

"Historians agree, that the mind developed early in the year 3000 B.C."

i had no idea 'historians' had not only tracked down the exact year in which the mind developed, but had actually pinpointed the season! amazing!



the idea that complexity is integrally linked to evolution is heatedly debated. evolution is better described as moving towards perfect adaptation to a given environment than as moving towards higher complexity, which itself is only a common byproduct of such adaptation. but then, what is the essense of complexity? is it in the means toward a given end, i.e. within the process, or is it in the end itself, i.e. within the ultimate function. is a computer program that requires 10,000 lines of code to play chess more complex than a program requiring 1000 lines of code to model metastability of organic compounds at the superheated hydrothermal vent fluid and near-freezing seawater interface? and are we, the 'thinking' humans, more complex than rice, which has upwards of 25% more genes in its genome than we have in ours?

i agree with you to the exent that we exist as nothing more than biochemical machines and that

the mind is only a product of a very specific combination of elements and chemicals.

however, i see the rational, conscious mind as a very real evolutionary accident; an error that will eventually be corrected ('free will' has the nasty habit of getting in the way of perfect adaptation, or of doing a specific job efficiently, as you put it), whereas a major paradox is created in your view of the mind, which is at once nothing and everything; both an illusion and the higher stage of evolutionary development.

[vitaminardi]

comparing the evolution of computers to humans gets a little hairy.

like computers, we are programmed whether we like it or not. but only humans make genetic copies of ourselves, or "do the nasty." Computers aren't in the business of obsessively reproducing themselves.

early computers were large inefficient multiple room affairs, now they're pretty small and blinding fast, and on the other hand we're enormous lazy assholes who couldn't start our own fires if our lives depended on it. Our ancestors were small, fast, and used resourses efficiently.

Computers grew up faster than we did too. If you look atfossils, we're still the same "machines" adapted for stone age living of 10,000 years ago. Look at all the overweight people;back in the stone age we didn't have hot-pockets, yo. Plus, although we think we're smarter, we're really not--we still like to beat the shit out of other people.

[donald]

we have definitely advanced ourselves as well, we aren't glorifying over the invention of the wheel or that rubbing two sticks makes fire thing anymore.
I believe there will be a time when hardware will be able to reproduce, maybe not by doing the nasty. I would see it as being a very asexual process, but as
far as software goes I have spawning processes running all over the place on our servers.

It is amazing when working with computers how similar they are to humans, but that could also just be my mind wanting to humanize everything. Mechanics think
of their cars as woman, taking "her' for a ride, I am sure there are other things out there that people try to humanize in their mind my guitar is my baby, or what have you.


I think alot of things man has made have been somewhat in their own image, at least to a certain degree.

[vitaminardi]

how's my baby, donald?

as far as the reproduction issue goes, i'm sure that we aren't too far away from hardware reproducing hardware, however do you see technological advances as a result of competition for space and resources between other reproducing machines? will Gov. Arnold travel back in time and take care of busness?

[donald]

your baby is doing just fine, If I touch her in the right places she sings the most beautiful meolodies and when I plug into her she gets so loud I sometimes have to wear earplugs

[vitaminardi]

like drones collecting resourses for a "queen bee" ......collecting scrap from the slag fields.....

[donald]

A car needs gasoline to run, and basically shits out carbon monoxide, they fit in by providing us with transportation, it's quite a phenomenon. Cars are unable to feed themselves so they get their owners to do it for them. Kind of like what we do for our dogs and cats or what ants do with aphids


Computers need electricity and they spit out radiation upon us and probably some other stuff I am totally unaware of. Computers in a sense have their own ecosystem communicating with others being able to spread diseases and causing havoc among themselves and for their users.

as far as shitting and eating, I don't know what they shit but I am sure there is website somewhere out there dedicated to it.

[donald]

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