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[Jacki O.]

i was thinking about this again......

i was thinking about late-term abortions from the perspective of the woman having the procedure. As someone who has had an abortion (yeah i said it) it wasn't a hard decision for me. i didn't want it, was only 19 and the dude that knocked me up was a total doucheface. So even though i decided almost immediately after i learned i was preggers that i was gonna have an abortion, going through the actual procedure was absolutely no fun.

now think of a woman/couple/family that wants to have a baby, gets pregnant, and goes through all the early term pregnancy things (showers, doctor visits, baby bumps, etc.) only to be told later, way into term, that if they don't abort the baby the mother will die (and probably baby too).

What an awful decision to have to make!

Imagine making that decision and then having to walk through a bunch of anti-choice douches calling you a murderer, sinner, and whore to get to one of the few clinics in the country that has doctors brave enough to perform a procedure that will save your life or the life of your mother or daughter or wife.

Now imagine that the doctor who saved your life, was murdered for doing so.


shit is fucked up

[raubhimself]

now think of a woman/couple/family that wants to have a baby, gets pregnant, and goes through all the early term pregnancy things (showers, doctor visits, baby bumps, etc.) only to be told later, way into term, that if they don't abort the baby the mother will die (and probably baby too).

What an awful decision to have to make!

a friend of mine works at a hospital and was telling me about one of his co-workers in this situation who chose to go ahead with the pregnancy (not sure if the baby was in danger in her case). what a tremendous decision to make. you shouldn't be punished for your decision either way, and it's extremely stupid for a population to judge on a situation that very few people will ever face.

i will never know what it is like to have to make this choice, so how can i possibly pass judgment on those who do?

[Jacki O.]

word.

late term abortions are for extreme life and death situations. It's not like someone six months pregnant can get one after deciding she just doesn't want to be pregnant anymore.

but crazies don't care about the people involved.

[raubhimself]

well that's our polarized country we live in. middle ground? buwhu? if abortions are legalized then obviously everyone will be getting abortions all the time, even the dudes.

i hate when people ignore the extremes though. even if it's a one in a million chance, that one person should have a choice.

it's either abortions for all or abortions for none. why can't we have abortions for some and miniature american flags for others?

[Jacki O.]

yeah...

i've only had 1 abortion - but guess why? I was pretty naive about sex and didn't know much at all.... I was raised in catholic family that didn't talk about sex and i went to public school in the midwest, so guess how much sex education i received there?

when i first started having sex with my boyfriend i believed the ole' "I will pull out" line, i thought he knew about sex. neither of us had any idea really.

i've still never told my parents....

i am waiting for an awkward, tension-filled holiday family dinner to blurt it out and send things over the edge!

but anyways. i had no sex education growing up, got myself into trouble and had a choice to make and thankfully had the freedom and privacy (and money) to decide what i wanted/needed to do and i chose what was right for me. it was a very personal, private decision.

i understand that people have different opinions, i wouldn't want it any other way. but they have the freedom to decide what opinions they want to hold, and what decisions they want to make, just like me. They are so lucky that we all have that freedom, and yet they want to to fight and kill for the chance to take it away?

i honestly can't see past the hypocrisy in their situation and perspective. I honestly can't. Why should they get the freedom to decide and not me? Because they believe in god?

[The Real Jeffrey Lebowski]

Here's a NYTimes blog highlighting some of the tributes throughout the web dedicated to Tiller.

Bummers...

[Rial]

yeah...

i've only had 1 abortion - but guess why? I was pretty naive about sex and didn't know much at all.... I was raised in catholic family that didn't talk about sex and i went to public school in the midwest, so guess how much sex education i received there?

when i first started having sex with my boyfriend i believed the ole' "I will pull out" line, i thought he knew about sex. neither of us had any idea really.

i've still never told my parents....

i am waiting for an awkward, tension-filled holiday family dinner to blurt it out and send things over the edge!

but anyways. i had no sex education growing up, got myself into trouble and had a choice to make and thankfully had the freedom and privacy (and money) to decide what i wanted/needed to do and i chose what was right for me. it was a very personal, private decision.

i understand that people have different opinions, i wouldn't want it any other way. but they have the freedom to decide what opinions they want to hold, and what decisions they want to make, just like me. They are so lucky that we all have that freedom, and yet they want to to fight and kill for the chance to take it away?

i honestly can't see past the hypocrisy in their situation and perspective. I honestly can't. Why should they get the freedom to decide and not me? Because they believe in god?

You are making a free conscious decision, For the crazies, Gawd guides the hand and lives of the believers, its part of HIS plan, they are not responsible for the path Gawd as laid out for them....duh.

[Jacki O.]

what if i believe that a piece of bread guides me and tells me what to do?

[MikeyWretch]

what if i believe that a piece of bread guides me and tells me what to do?

Then I would join your church!!!!! PB and Js all day!! YAY!!!!

[Rial]

what if i believe that a piece of bread guides me and tells me what to do?

A piece of bread...like the body and blood of Christ in Communion Wafer/ Cheap wine form.

[The Real Jeffrey Lebowski]

The New York Times

Before the first juror is selected or witness called, a decision allowing a confessed killer to argue he believes the slaying of one of the nation's few late-term abortion providers was a justified act aimed at saving unborn children has upended what most expected to be an open-and-shut case.

The facts of the case are not in dispute: On a balmy Sunday morning, Roeder got up from a pew at Wichita's Reformation Lutheran Church at the start of services and walked to the foyer, where Tiller and a fellow usher were chatting around a table. Wordlessly, he pressed the barrel of a .22-caliber handgun to Tiller's forehead and pulled the trigger.

Prosecutors charged Roeder with first-degree murder, and the 51-year-old from Kansas City, Mo., later admitted to reporters and in a court filing that he killed Tiller. The prosecution stands ready with more than 250 prospective witnesses to prove it.

But what had been expected to be a simple trial was altered Friday when Sedgwick County Judge Warren Wilbert decided he would allow Roeder to build a defense case calling for a lesser charge of voluntary manslaughter because he sincerely believed the May 31 slaying would save unborn children.

Kansas law defines voluntary manslaughter as ''an unreasonable but honest belief that circumstances existed that justified deadly force.'' A conviction on that charge could bring a prison sentence closer to five years, instead of a life term for first-degree murder.

Hey! Guess who has two thumbs and just threw up a little bit in their mouth?

[Jacki O.]

WTF


i actually did almost just hurl

This could never be allowed in our court system. If that happens how many people are going to use that as a defense for murder? i sure will. A balmy 5 years for cold blooded murder? Not too shabby if you ask me. I could get a lot of reading done in 5 years.

This would be a death sentence for all other reproductive healthcare doctors!

And think of the backsliding! This could fly for any abortion doctors, and then it will be the pharmacist who does his/her job and gives out birth control, then it will be the woman who takes the birth control or has an abortion.

[The Real Jeffrey Lebowski]

After the jury left, Wilbert ruled that the jury could not consider convicting Roeder of the lesser charge of voluntary manslaughter, which is defined as "an unreasonable but honest belief that circumstances existed that justified deadly force" under Kansas statute.

Good.

He said he did not believe abortion was justified in the case of rape.

"You are taking the life of the innocent. You're punishing the innocent life for the sin of the father. Two wrongs don't make a right."

Asked about incest, he said his beliefs were the same: "It isn't our duty to take life, it's our heavenly father's."

(Rest of the story)

[weener]

Hey, you know what they usually call people with an "unreasonable but honest belief that circumstances existed that justified deadly force?" Terrorists. Islamic extremists. Maybe they should get a lesser charge.

[Jacki O.]

Hey, you know what they usually call people with an "unreasonable but honest belief that circumstances existed that justified deadly force?" Terrorists. Islamic extremists. Maybe they should get a lesser charge.

But they pay taxes and vote! They're Amuricans! Ain't no such thing as white, tax-paying, republican-voting, gun-toting, jesus-lovin', god-fearin', abortion doctor-killin Amurican terrorists!

ain't no such thing!!