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[Wizwars]

Anyway, back on topic:
"I'm gonna pay you for sex." = illegal in america.

"I'm gonna pay you to bang that dude while I film it and distribute it to countless people, ensuring I fully profit off of your ladyparts." = legal, and somewhat en vogue in america.

I think Zyko and myself had this exact discussion while driving back from PHX a couple weeks ago. And it's the fucking truth. How is pornography any different from prostitution? It all boils down to people getting paid to fuck, with the only real difference being who the money is coming from.

Anyway, I think prostitution being illegal is fairly stupid. Something George Carlin once said on the subject has always stuck with me -

"Of all the things you can do to a person, giving someone an orgasm is hardly the worst thing in the world. In the army they give you a medal for spraying napalm on people.
Civilian life, you go to jail for giving someone an orgasm."

Curious, as I understand it, prostitution is in fact legal in some parts of Nevada, correct? What are the rape statistics for those areas?

[weener]

Pornography is legal because it's technically "speech." I agree, though, it's still fucking for money.

Prostitutes should have sex for free, but take a Polaroid of their exploits with each john and sell them to him for whatever they usually charge for a sex act. He could throw it away or whatever, but their sex would be speech, and therefore legal.

[bob]

keeping it safe should be priority one. that would require regulation. (unions!) it would require better drug treatment programs. (lets face it, unless you're on the high high end of porn or prostitution, you're dealing with a large amount of various levels of drug addiction) and it would require not looking the other way. making it legal only in certain areas and cracking down hard everywhere else would probably be the way to go on this one (maybe just near casinos. or carcinigen heavy rural nevada...) in a word: decriminalization.

it seems like something like this coupled with the large scale legalization of marijuana would save our state and national economy and make this nation the strong empire building mighty bull it once was, once upon a time. or we could just subsidize the service industry so they make a living wage. but that's socialism, right?

[Juggs69]

Anyway, back on topic:
"I'm gonna pay you for sex." = illegal in america.

"I'm gonna pay you to bang that dude while I film it and distribute it to countless people, ensuring I fully profit off of your ladyparts." = legal, and somewhat en vogue in america.

I think Zyko and myself had this exact discussion while driving back from PHX a couple weeks ago. And it's the fucking truth. How is pornography any different from prostitution? It all boils down to people getting paid to fuck, with the only real difference being who the money is coming from.

Anyway, I think prostitution being illegal is fairly stupid. Something George Carlin once said on the subject has always stuck with me -

"Of all the things you can do to a person, giving someone an orgasm is hardly the worst thing in the world. In the army they give you a medal for spraying napalm on people.
Civilian life, you go to jail for giving someone an orgasm."

Curious, as I understand it, prostitution is in fact legal in some parts of Nevada, correct? What are the rape statistics for those areas?

I don't believe there is a difference b/t pornography and prostitution either.

I love George Carlin too--RIP

Based on my research, the rape rate in Nevada is higher than the national average--43 cases out of 100,000 people, compared to the national average of 30. Article

[MikeyWretch]

Even if it was legalized you would still have gals and guys doing it with out the requirements of safety and all that shit. I mean there are doctors and pharmacists but I can still buy drugs from lil joker down the road out of his bedroom window.

[Jacki O.]

i wouldnt try to correlate rape statistics with the criminalization/decriminalization of prostitution.

Sadly, I think the rate of prostitutes who report their rapes to the authorities is very low. If the person against whom the crime has been committed was participating in an illegal action during the crime, then they have little incentive to report it. Not saying that women who work in the sex industry never report crimes committed against them, they do. but i would bet that rate is lower than for women who do not work in the sex industry, but only due of the illicitness of the job.

which is why it should be legalized!

[Dez]

I can still buy drugs from lil joker down the road out of his bedroom window.

Way to put your homie on blast, sucka!

[raubhimself]

Not sure how I stand on this.

On one hand, being illegal resulted in my landlord calling me when my address came up in a newspaper article as a prostitute's address. It was the newspaper's mistake but apparently one of my neighbors caught it and told my landlord. On the other hand, being legal would probably have just left my neighbors and landlord talking behind my back, falsely thinking I am housing a prostitute.

On the third hand, have money, need sex, help computer.

[allisonorphan]

in this last semester of my art therapy program, i took a sex therapy class. technically, even though art therapy is my focus, i will be a marriage and family therapist....hence the crash course in sex therapy.
anyway, as an outside assignment, i did some reading on sexual activity and individuals with disabilities and the term "sexual surrogate" came up. i did some further reading and watched the film, "Private Practices", an 80's documentary about the profession. when talking about it with an individual not in the program, they said, "so, basically the surrogate is a prostitute with a PhD?"

i laughed, but really had to think about it. the surrogate, in conjunction with an individuals primary therapist, work with the identified patient in a physical manner to help them with what ever psychological issues they may have regarding sexual activity.

in the documentary, there was a really awkward exchange between surrogate and client in which the client questions what happens if surrogate and client fall in love. he wonders why they could never have a relationship in the future. hard to watch. while i get the foundation for the practice, its execution seems to ride a fine ethical line and also raises questions about how sex for money exchanges are defined.

I read a really interesting article by a disabled man who was seeing a sex surrogate...found it! Sounds like an odd profession for sure.

hey weener!
thanks for the link! what a great article. this line really struck a chord:

"I wonder whether seeing Cheryl was worth it, not in terms of the money but in hopes raised and never fulfilled"
such an odd and interesting field.

[urvile]

When I was seeing a counselor back in the day, this actually came up. Don't think I could ever do it though, I'd probably end up feeling like a huge loser afterwards

[fatguyaz]

in this last semester of my art therapy program, i took a sex therapy class. technically, even though art therapy is my focus, i will be a marriage and family therapist....hence the crash course in sex therapy.
anyway, as an outside assignment, i did some reading on sexual activity and individuals with disabilities and the term "sexual surrogate" came up. i did some further reading and watched the film, "Private Practices", an 80's documentary about the profession. when talking about it with an individual not in the program, they said, "so, basically the surrogate is a prostitute with a PhD?"

i laughed, but really had to think about it. the surrogate, in conjunction with an individuals primary therapist, work with the identified patient in a physical manner to help them with what ever psychological issues they may have regarding sexual activity.

in the documentary, there was a really awkward exchange between surrogate and client in which the client questions what happens if surrogate and client fall in love. he wonders why they could never have a relationship in the future. hard to watch. while i get the foundation for the practice, its execution seems to ride a fine ethical line and also raises questions about how sex for money exchanges are defined.

I read a really interesting article by a disabled man who was seeing a sex surrogate...found it! Sounds like an odd profession for sure.

hey weener!
thanks for the link! what a great article. this line really struck a chord:

"I wonder whether seeing Cheryl was worth it, not in terms of the money but in hopes raised and never fulfilled"
such an odd and interesting field.

I agree, great article. It really explores in great detail that thought that i think most of us think when you see someone paralyzed or in a wheelchair: "I wonder if he gets boners?" Or "can he still bang a chick?"

Now go pretend i'm the only one.

[degrae]

Sex + money = less sex than you could have had honestly. It would be a great sidenote in my diary, if old ass Phoebe Cates had to pay me for my boner, alas, I would have so much rather it be a secret thing that no one ever knew about. You are closer to mutual orgasm in the public library than you are in a strip club. Why? Because you can't turn a girl on by reading a cat magazine, (read-- about actual cat type domestic animals) in a strip club. That would actually be gross. However, if a girl in fishnets comes into your apartment, and can't get your attention because of your cat magazine, that makes her wonder. Do you see the difference between hot and not hot?