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[woodman]

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[Coward Crutch]

"Dems shockingly suggest that GOPers are backing Nader so he'll draw votes from John Kerry."
that would be my guess as well....

[glitterbot]

not so shocking when you think about it.... has worked before!

[Hooray For Everything]

um, why wouldn't they just back Bush?
the Republicans didn't "f" it up for us last time, we did. The division in our own party, however we have a right to follow what we think is right, but sometimes one has to look at the big picture, and as far as the 'message' that Nader voters wanted to send, I ask them, now, was it really worth it?

[mikemfer]

um, why wouldn't they just back Bush?

I started to post that too. But then it occurred to me. The republicans WILL back Bush. But they know that many Democrats and/or independents will choose between Kerry and Nader. So by backing Nader financially, they hope to turn some of the "anybody but Bush" crowd on to Nader instead of Kerry. Hypothetically, if Nader and Kerry each got 33% of the vote, 66% of us would be saying we wanted someone other than Bush elected president. But Bush could still win with that remaining 34% of the vote.

It's a pretty smart strategy. The Democrats ought to hype Nader to disenfranchised Republicans too. I'm sure there are staunch Republicans who are absolutely embarassed by our current leadership.

[rudolpho of pensacola]

i voted for nader last time
was it worth i?
no, probably not
i think i made a mistake, not like it really mattered anyways-
first reason being is that i truly do believe that the election was stolen
second reason being is that although so called "democrats" are the lesser of two
evils, this political system has to cycle, we are never going to have some great awakening
of the perfect gov. and perfect president....there will always be a bad president and then an even worse president....

apathetic or not, i'm just not sure what matters anymore
or what it's worth
it's totally fucked
i care and i don't all at the same time
everything that's going on around the world, the media blitz that all of us swallow every fucking day
we are all insane from it......i know i am

[aaronburke]

um, why wouldn't they just back Bush?
the Republicans didn't "f" it up for us last time, we did. The division in our own party, however we have a right to follow what we think is right, but sometimes one has to look at the big picture, and as far as the 'message' that Nader voters wanted to send, I ask them, now, was it really worth it?

um, i voted for nader and
i didn't have any other 'message'
to send other than i wanted nader
to be president. blaming bush in office
on nader voters is incorrect.

[mikemfer]

I understand that conceptually, if all of the anti-Bush crowd voted for the same candidate, we could get someone else in office. But telling me I am taking a vote from Kerry by voting for Nader is telling me that you not only endorse but support the concept of a two-party system.

Maybe the way to look at it is like this:

"The division in our own party, however we have a right to follow what we think is right, but sometimes one has to look at the big picture, and as far as the 'message' that GORE voters wanted to send (in 2000), I ask them, now, was it really worth it? "

It's a fact that if all those Gore voters had just voted for Nader, Nader would be president right now. Fucking democrats, they just have to make a statement and run a candidate each election cycle. They're taking votes away from the Greens!

[weener]

I was not old enough to vote then. Now I am. I accidentally registered, too, when I got my license plate tags.

FUCK. I'm not sure who to vote for.

[mothrock]

i voted for nader last time
was it worth i?
no, probably not
i think i made a mistake, not like it really mattered anyways-
first reason being is that i truly do believe that the election was stolen
second reason being is that although so called "democrats" are the lesser of two
evils, this political system has to cycle, we are never going to have some great awakening
of the perfect gov. and perfect president....there will always be a bad president and then an even worse president....

apathetic or not, i'm just not sure what matters anymore
or what it's worth
it's totally fucked
i care and i don't all at the same time
everything that's going on around the world, the media blitz that all of us swallow every fucking day
we are all insane from it......i know i am

jesus,

finally something that you said that didn't make me want to go "derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

I didn't vote last election becuase work was hectic and I couldn't leave, but I was registered green at the time so I would have voted for nader. I thought gore would win anyway, so I didn't really worry about it at the time. I just wanted nader to get his 5% or whatever it was that he needed.

[donald]

I was not old enough to vote then. Now I am. I accidentally registered, too, when I got my license plate tags.

FUCK. I'm not sure who to vote for.

just do a little research on each candidate and try to
make in informed decision as opposed to listening to what
we all have to say.


Vote for the person you think is the best candidate, you
are not taking away from anyone but yourself if you don't
do so otherwise.

If you think Nader is the best candidate for the job, then
vote for him. If you think Bush is the best, then vote for
Bush, and likewise if you think Kerry is the best candidate
then vote for Kerry.

People are so into, I am a republican so I have to vote republican
and that is wrong. I know republicans who are so aggravated with
bush, but won't vote for Kerry because he is a democrat, so they
just are not going to vote.

[rudolpho of pensacola]

DONT VOTE FOR BUSH

[Hooray For Everything]

the system is what it is, voting for a third party candidate isn't going to change the system itself, it's just going to get a Republican elected, it's naive to think otherwise. If one wants to change the system, then one needs to work toward that goal. This is the system, these are the rules, period. Fair enough? So, get registered, vote (they have these things called absentee ballets, too), get Kerry elected, and let's cross our fingers.

[mikemfer]

voting for a third party candidate isn't going to change the system itself, it's just going to get a Republican elected, it's naive to think otherwise

How else will the system ever change? If we give our support to a 'lesser of two evils' we inherently support the system we claim to despise. Calling someone "naive" for voting for a third party candidate is an admission that you have given up and are willing to take whatever you can get.

The question is not whether we want to have a little lube when we take it up the ass from them. The question is whether we want to take it up the ass in the first place.

[aaronburke]

the system is what it is, voting for a third party candidate isn't going to change the system itself, it's just going to get a Republican elected, it's naive to think otherwise.  If one wants to change the system, then one needs to work toward that goal.  This is the system, these are the rules, period.  Fair enough?  So, get registered, vote (they have these things called absentee ballets, too), get Kerry elected, and let's cross our fingers.

this is not correct at all.

i don't think nader has a chance
of winning the upcoming election
and i'm still going to vote for him.
why? because i think he'd made or make
a better president than the other candidates.
that's the only reason you should be basing
your vote on, not shit about 'stealing' votes
away or any of that other crap.

the more people that vote for nader,
and other independent candidates,
the sooner we will see an independent
president, or a female president, or a
non-white president. no one seems to
be outraged about that shit yet.

kerry will be a better president than
bush, but not by much. do you really
think your life is going to change if kerry
takes over? no, if you're most people.
the majority's lives will not change.

i can honestly say that my life is BETTER
now, under bush, than is it was under any other
president. does that mean i should vote for
bush? fuck no! i hate bush. can i directly
trace any part of my life to bush or any other
president right now? not really. but shouldn't i
vote for bush if my life is better? no way, not
necessarily. bush is ruining other lives other than
my own.