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[natalie]

I think someone, maybe Steve, made mentioned that "tons" of people like mates, earlimart, spoon, etc... but unfortunately those always seem to be the same people. I know we've got this comparison to other cities debate and stuff going on but..

We don't have a local "INDIE/COLLEGE" RADIO STATION on an FM format? (Do not reference the ASU BLAZE -- you can only get reception in Tempe if youre lucky)

Because, the way I see it - while WE think these bands have a bunch of fans and stuff here in PHX- Spoon, Earlimart, Mates are NOT played on the radio, thus generating a buzz from the masses....like KXLU and Indie 103 in LA, 91x in San Diego, UWs station in Seattle, UT Austin and Austin City Limits, etc.

Maybe we need to re-invent the whole KUKQ/Collage radio vibe to generate what popular radio won't? I think people here are ... just uninformed. That's something we can change.

[psykosteve]

ummm i believe i brought elliot smith here when nobody knew of him... now i only do shows for friends... it is a tough business. i feel bad for the dude and all of his money that was more than likely on the line. thats the business though

Sorry I didn't realize that you did Elliot Smith first.

[Danosaur]

I think someone, maybe Steve, made mentioned that "tons" of people like mates, earlimart, spoon, etc... but unfortunately those always seem to be the same people.  I know we've got this comparison to other cities debate and stuff going on but..

We don't have a local "INDIE/COLLEGE" RADIO STATION on an FM format? (Do not reference the ASU BLAZE -- you can only get reception in Tempe if youre lucky)

Because, the way I see it - while WE think these bands have a bunch of fans and stuff here in PHX- Spoon, Earlimart, Mates are NOT played on the radio, thus generating a buzz from the masses....like KXLU and Indie 103 in LA, 91x in San Diego, UWs station in Seattle, UT Austin and Austin City Limits, etc. 

Maybe we need to re-invent the whole KUKQ/Collage radio vibe to generate what popular radio won't?  I think people here are ... just uninformed.  That's something we can change.

I agree with natalie's point and I will add only these points for discussion. I heard that the tix were being sold via ticketmaster but there was a $10 fee for buying them..making an $18 ticket to an almost thirty dollar ticket...yikes! I would think that many of the people who know who Mates, Earlimart, Spoon are are the kind of people who thought that the venue was big enough to wait until the day to buy rather than purchase the tickets on the internet with the $10 fee (that is exactly what I would do...I have only ever bought tickets in advance for a few shows) Also, I would venture to guess that many people who were planning on going to this show didn't think it would sell out there fore there wasn't a rush to go out and buy tickets in advance like so many other shows here. Maybe if the DJ's broadcasting the add for the festival would have played a few of the band's songs over the air there might have been more people in the "mainstream" willing to take a chance. And, probably a one more mainstream band that could bring in the kind of preselling needed for this would have helped. Someone like Interpol or Jimmy Eat World (thanks Kristi I am borrowing your example).

I don't know...it is a really sad situation all around with many variables to say why things didn't go the way they did. And when you get all those variables together you get some pissed off people and some hard decisions to make. Charlie did the right thing and cut his losses...its a part of the biz that is being a promoter. The issue isn't just about Phoenix.

Maybe IKEA had something do with this? Didn't they have a huge sale planned for that weekend?

[psykosteve]

hahah just being a jerk...

JERK!

[mashed tates]

i think that it is important to note that a 25 dollar ticket is a tough sell if the potential attendees are only interested in one or two bands. although it is true that all of the bands have played to over a hundred people locally before, they haven't necessarily done it in a big place like this. the intimacy of places like modified definitely draws some people to take a chance on bands they might not know about. for me personally, i wanted to see two of the bands on the bill. and i wasn't going to go simply because i could pay a lot less to see those two bands in a more intimate (better) setting at some other time without having to sit through several bands i didn't want to see in a big venue setting (which is worse than sitting through it at small places where you can just walk outside).

charlie is a badass. it sucks that this happened, but from the first time i saw the flyer i thought, there is no way this is going to sell tickets. people don't want to pay to sit through bands they don't like for most of the day. to me it's really that simple.

to blame it on phoenix is totally unfair. to call a town week for not buying tickets to a show they don't want to see is crazy. people will make this town what they will make it. if they don't support something, they're saying "we don't want it." i don't see why there's a duty of the people to pay for entertainment they don't think is good enough. if anything, i think it'd only promote the wrong idea. it sucks, but nobody wanted to see this. after frustrations cool, i'm sure charlie would just say "i won't try that again" and keep doing what he does so well. i seriously doubt he thinks this city sucks because they didn't buy his tickets. unfortunate things happen to great people all the time.

[bob]

and i was at that JEW/Mineral show. I'm gonna stab myself in the chest!


Wait......

[unluckycharm]

and now for a few words from newtimes

http://music.phoenix...c/Stiletto.html

uuuh

anyway, i still stand by my original post that the venue was too big for bands with no hit records

[psykosteve]

That article was right on the money.

[President Gator]

1.) I love Michele. Now maybe at least a few people outside of this Shizz community will finally realize what we all have known for quite sometime.

2.) Aaron, I'd be down to help as much as I could for an Indie FM station.

3.) I wish I could have seen that Jimmy Eat World / Mineral show. I have that 7 inch split they both put out with Sense Field on baby blue vinyl. All right!