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[mancopter]

THIS is what I think about apple products in general

Holy shit that site is great!

Now I have stuff to watch this afternoon.

Thanks, moth.

I recommend watching the monitors.

If I ever decide that I'm done with the tech industry, I'm fairly certain that I've found my next calling.

[psykosteve]

Ipod is by far the best mp3 player on the market.

Itunes is the best way to buy songs online legaly.

Macs are by far the best personal computers on the market.

OSX is the far superrior operating syestem to windows.

And Apples is the ONLY compter hardware company to have incressed custermer satifaction in 06.



5 years ago everyone said the Ipod would fail and that people would not use itunes. Steve Jobs was right then and the all the critics now want to say all the same things about the Iphone they said about the Ipod.


My money is on Steve Jobs being right again. And if I would have bough stock in Apple the minute he anounced it I would have made $7.50 a share by the end of the day.

[beefstew]

THIS is what I think about apple products in general

you want to make a smoothie out of them?

[beefstew]

THIS is what I think about apple products in general

Holy shit that site is great!

Now I have stuff to watch this afternoon.

Thanks, moth.

I recommend watching the monitors.

Awesome.

[raubhimself]

Ipod is by far the best mp3 player on the market.

Itunes is the best way to buy songs online legaly.

Macs are by far the best personal computers on the market.

OSX is the far superrior operating syestem to windows.

i disagree


ipod's can't play much more than mp3 and their aac format. lame. i want ogg, flac, and other support.

itunes is a horrible music player and the service for buying songs is riddled with DRM. magnatune may not have a good selection but at least i can do whatever the fuck i want with the files i download.

macs aren't really that great. as personal computers you can't be too personal with them. my personal computer should use the hardware that i personally want., and the software that i personally want, and not do things that i personally don't want it to do. even the macbook's are kinda lame in many aspects. no home/end/ins/del/pgup/pgdn keys? only two or three USB ports? for christ's sake my dell inspiron has 6!

everything good under the hood with OSX is because it is heavily based on the BSD kernel. everything good on the front end (in my opinion) is just fancy looks. apple relies so much on mouse usage but even that is a pain in the ass.

[thecreeper]

Ipod is by far the best mp3 player on the market.

Itunes is the best way to buy songs online legaly.

Macs are by far the best personal computers on the market.

OSX is the far superrior operating syestem to windows.

i disagree


ipod's can't play much more than mp3 and their aac format. lame. i want ogg, flac, and other support.

itunes is a horrible music player and the service for buying songs is riddled with DRM. magnatune may not have a good selection but at least i can do whatever the fuck i want with the files i download.

macs aren't really that great. as personal computers you can't be too personal with them. my personal computer should use the hardware that i personally want., and the software that i personally want, and not do things that i personally don't want it to do. even the macbook's are kinda lame in many aspects. no home/end/ins/del/pgup/pgdn keys? only two or three USB ports? for christ's sake my dell inspiron has 6!

everything good under the hood with OSX is because it is heavily based on the BSD kernel. everything good on the front end (in my opinion) is just fancy looks. apple relies so much on mouse usage but even that is a pain in the ass.

thank god you said it so i didn't have to.

[psykosteve]

i disagree


ipod's can't play much more than mp3 and their aac format. lame. i want ogg, flac, and other support.

itunes is a horrible music player and the service for buying songs is riddled with DRM. magnatune may not have a good selection but at least i can do whatever the fuck i want with the files i download.

macs aren't really that great. as personal computers you can't be too personal with them. my personal computer should use the hardware that i personally want., and the software that i personally want, and not do things that i personally don't want it to do. even the macbook's are kinda lame in many aspects. no home/end/ins/del/pgup/pgdn keys? only two or three USB ports? for christ's sake my dell inspiron has 6!

everything good under the hood with OSX is because it is heavily based on the BSD kernel. everything good on the front end (in my opinion) is just fancy looks. apple relies so much on mouse usage but even that is a pain in the ass.

Who the hell uses ogg and flac on a daily bassis? Do any other mp3 players? I wont argue that the iPod is perfect, but to disagree that it is the best you need to show one that is better.

I agree that DRM is lame, but there are ways around it. Again what is better. Any servise that doesnt have at least almost as many songs as iTunes, and all the big names it isn't a serius contender. snocp with myspace doesn't use DRM but it only has some unsigned bands, and they rip off bands. I agree DRM needs to go, but there is no good LEGAL service yet.

How many USB ports do you need on a lap top? Does your dell have a fire wire port? I would sonner have a lap top that is half the weight and half as tall as a larger clunkyer unit with 37 ports I will never use and not the ones I want.

I dont know what BSD is, but 99% of all viruses only effect windows less than 1% hit OSX and when I used windows I was always finding programs I never wanted that wont let me remove them. I have never had that problem with OSX. I don't want a operating system that makes it easier for smapers to put shit on my computer than for me to remove what I don't want.

[mothrock]

i disagree


ipod's can't play much more than mp3 and their aac format. lame. i want ogg, flac, and other support.

itunes is a horrible music player and the service for buying songs is riddled with DRM. magnatune may not have a good selection but at least i can do whatever the fuck i want with the files i download.

macs aren't really that great. as personal computers you can't be too personal with them. my personal computer should use the hardware that i personally want., and the software that i personally want, and not do things that i personally don't want it to do. even the macbook's are kinda lame in many aspects. no home/end/ins/del/pgup/pgdn keys? only two or three USB ports? for christ's sake my dell inspiron has 6!

everything good under the hood with OSX is because it is heavily based on the BSD kernel. everything good on the front end (in my opinion) is just fancy looks. apple relies so much on mouse usage but even that is a pain in the ass.

Who the hell uses ogg and flac on a daily bassis? Do any other mp3 players? I wont argue that the iPod is perfect, but to disagree that it is the best you need to show one that is better.

I agree that DRM is lame, but there are ways around it. Again what is better. Any servise that doesnt have at least almost as many songs as iTunes, and all the big names it isn't a serius contender. snocp with myspace doesn't use DRM but it only has some unsigned bands, and they rip off bands. I agree DRM needs to go, but there is no good LEGAL service yet.

How many USB ports do you need on a lap top? Does your dell have a fire wire port? I would sonner have a lap top that is half the weight and half as tall as a larger clunkyer unit with 37 ports I will never use and not the ones I want.

I dont know what BSD is, but 99% of all viruses only effect windows less than 1% hit OSX and when I used windows I was always finding programs I never wanted that wont let me remove them. I have never had that problem with OSX. I don't want a operating system that makes it easier for smapers to put shit on my computer than for me to remove what I don't want.

I wouldn't say that apple is superior, just different.

and different in ways that are annoying.

[Danosaur]

THIS is what I think about apple products in general

Holy shit that site is great!

Now I have stuff to watch this afternoon.

Thanks, moth.

I recommend watching the monitors.

poor liitle mac classics ...I made one into an actuall fish tank once...

[thecreeper]

i disagree


ipod's can't play much more than mp3 and their aac format. lame. i want ogg, flac, and other support.

itunes is a horrible music player and the service for buying songs is riddled with DRM. magnatune may not have a good selection but at least i can do whatever the fuck i want with the files i download.

macs aren't really that great. as personal computers you can't be too personal with them. my personal computer should use the hardware that i personally want., and the software that i personally want, and not do things that i personally don't want it to do. even the macbook's are kinda lame in many aspects. no home/end/ins/del/pgup/pgdn keys? only two or three USB ports? for christ's sake my dell inspiron has 6!

everything good under the hood with OSX is because it is heavily based on the BSD kernel. everything good on the front end (in my opinion) is just fancy looks. apple relies so much on mouse usage but even that is a pain in the ass.

Who the hell uses ogg and flac on a daily bassis? Do any other mp3 players? I wont argue that the iPod is perfect, but to disagree that it is the best you need to show one that is better.

OGG is an open source, free format. this is a good thing. many linux users and some windows users choose to use it because it offers better sound quality and smaller file sizes while avoiding the patents that come along with formats such as MP3. FLAC is also open source, free format offering lossless audio. this is important to not everyone, but to some, yes.

as far as an MP3 player that uses it, this one took me like 2 mins to find.

http://www.cowonglob...uct_X5_spec.php

a top seller on amazon, good reviews, functions as a separate drive on your computer, supports MP3, OGG, WMA, ASF, FLAC, WAV. doesnt lock you into iTunes.

they have a dozen other products on their site as well offering similar things. there are others out there too, iaudio is just an easy example.

[Danosaur]

let me chime in here as I am an avid user of both apples and pc. Both have there ups and definatley both have their downs. Many people who hate macs have never used one on a regular basis outside a friends house or store demo. Once you get to know a mac and the os and the services it can provide you... you tend to like it...PC's are the same way to people who have only ever used macs...I started out a mac only guy....never learned how to use a PC or the special coded talk that PC users speak in and all that jazz...but what I can tell you about what I have learned from PC's is they are very useful in an office situation and because they are the standard and have been for so long there are usually more programs, software and things written for them. Apple is beginning to show signs of standardization...ie. switching to intel, the fact that I can run both windows and OSX at the same time on my Mac blows my mind...

Like what mothrock said...apple is just different...its an alternative...
as far as the iphone goes...Steve Jobs explained the cost as...ipod nano = $200 + Normal cost of a PDA = $300 = total $400-500 dollars...sounds pretty easy there. I just wonder how much you are going to have to keep wiping your oily face and figerprints off the display...if they can make a oil resitent display that doesn't show smudges...then I will be really wowed...until then I will wait till the cost comes down or they have alternative cell carriers...I don't like cingular...

[mothrock]

i disagree


ipod's can't play much more than mp3 and their aac format. lame. i want ogg, flac, and other support.

itunes is a horrible music player and the service for buying songs is riddled with DRM. magnatune may not have a good selection but at least i can do whatever the fuck i want with the files i download.

macs aren't really that great. as personal computers you can't be too personal with them. my personal computer should use the hardware that i personally want., and the software that i personally want, and not do things that i personally don't want it to do. even the macbook's are kinda lame in many aspects. no home/end/ins/del/pgup/pgdn keys? only two or three USB ports? for christ's sake my dell inspiron has 6!

everything good under the hood with OSX is because it is heavily based on the BSD kernel. everything good on the front end (in my opinion) is just fancy looks. apple relies so much on mouse usage but even that is a pain in the ass.

Who the hell uses ogg and flac on a daily bassis? Do any other mp3 players? I wont argue that the iPod is perfect, but to disagree that it is the best you need to show one that is better.

OGG is an open source, free format. this is a good thing. many linux users and some windows users choose to use it because it offers better sound quality and smaller file sizes while avoiding the patents that come along with formats such as MP3. FLAC is also open source, free format offering lossless audio. this is important to not everyone, but to some, yes.

as far as an MP3 player that uses it, this one took me like 2 mins to find.

http://www.cowonglob...uct_X5_spec.php

a top seller on amazon, good reviews, functions as a separate drive on your computer, supports MP3, OGG, WMA, ASF, FLAC, WAV. doesnt lock you into iTunes.

they have a dozen other products on their site as well offering similar things. there are others out there too, iaudio is just an easy example.

ummmm... booya?

[raubhimself]

Who the hell uses ogg and flac on a daily bassis? Do any other mp3 players? I wont argue that the iPod is perfect, but to disagree that it is the best you need to show one that is better.

lots of people? flac is pretty much the de-facto standard for audiophiles right now, and ogg is the best (superior) alternative to the legally encumbered mp3 format.

I agree that DRM is lame, but there are ways around it. Again what is better. Any servise that doesnt have at least almost as many songs as iTunes, and all the big names it isn't a serius contender. snocp with myspace doesn't use DRM but it only has some unsigned bands, and they rip off bands. I agree DRM needs to go, but there is no good LEGAL service yet.

just because there isn't a better alternative doesn't mean that what is available should be accepted. DRM is going to be the downfall of multimedia (for us, not the MPAA and RIAA) if people just go along with it.

How many USB ports do you need on a lap top? Does your dell have a fire wire port? I would sonner have a lap top that is half the weight and half as tall as a larger clunkyer unit with 37 ports I will never use and not the ones I want.

right now i have two external hard drives, a keyboard, a mouse, my mp3 player, and a USB thumb drive hooked up to my laptop. granted, i use my laptop as a desktop replacement, but still mine weighs just shy of 1lb more than a 17" macbook pro. i would gladly take that 1lb for 3 more USB ports, and an SD Card reader. I have one less firewire port but i could care less because firewire is barely supported in the industry.

I dont know what BSD is, but 99% of all viruses only effect windows less than 1% hit OSX and when I used windows I was always finding programs I never wanted that wont let me remove them. I have never had that problem with OSX. I don't want a operating system that makes it easier for smapers to put shit on my computer than for me to remove what I don't want.

pre-OSX you can thank Apple for making a poorly designed OS that had less than 5% market share for the reason there are no viruses. now, you can thank the BSD kernel (based on the UNIX kernel) for being so rock solid. the fact that there are so few viruses for OSX has little to do with Apple.

and for the record, i don't use Windows. i don't like it either. that doesn't mean that OSX is better though.


yeah, it's cool that you can run OSX, Windows, and Linux on your Mac, but this should have been available long ago and should be better today. Many Linux distros have Power PC versions, so Linux has been on Macs for years. and now to use Windows or Linux it still requires some degree of approval from Apple. On my computer, I can run anything I want, including OSX. however, OSX won't work too well because it's not meant to support more than a handful of hardware configurations.


sorry, but apple's are just more expensive e-machine's to me. i can do less on them than i can on pretty much any other computer.


p.s. i secretly want a 17" macbook pro really badly...

[mothrock]

damn steve, you just got prawn3d.

[ROBOTHOUSE!]

I'm gonna chime in now too...

Coming from a CSE background, using both PC and OSX I have to say that OSX has a much more thought out and useful interface, and I get MUCH more work done (WITHOUT having to spend 123878917239879^12312312 hours modding my os (yes, I'm taking a stab at both XP and linux on that one.)

Right now I'm rocking XP via Parallels on my BootCamp partition in OSX in Coherence mode. (I'm hoping in the next version of the OS they'll integrate this into the OS itself.) I must say, Apple made it EASY for developers to kick a lot of ass.

I give ultimate kudos to Apple for taking the stumbling blocks in stride when coming from their old OS to OSX, as opposed to the monolithic failure that Vista will be...

As for the OGG Vorbis FLAC Audiophile BULLSHIT (yes, I said it, bullshit,) listen, saying it sucks that people don't use roughly 2-3 times the amount of hard drive space to store their music files that have un-noticable quality differences than an AAC or mp3 file is crap IMHO. To me, it's like saying, "apple, dell, compaq, etc sucks, I wanna play Vinyl, so why the hell doesn't my laptop have a turntable on it?" Reason I say it? Because it's for a niche market. If you're gonna be an audiophile, then you know about the inherent loss from analog to digital, etc etc. and if you're gonna be a stickler about that, then what stops you from nerding out till the cows come home? Might as well get a frikkin 1/4" reel to reel and special order a 2 track dump of the band's material from the mastering house. (I'm being very VERY factitious here, so take it with a grain of salt... it's also my troll bait.

AAC is not a DRM-only format so stop with the false fear-mongering. It's also a choice to buy from Apple's store, so I don't see anything wrong with it.

Also, I'm sure y'all know the basics of lossless conversion comparisons:

http://members.home..../comparison.htm
Not much difference between FLAC and apple lossless, but fuck, I don't wanna waste ~300mb per album on lossless audio.

As for locked in hardware, etc. I dunno what laptops you have, but the most you can upgrade on a PC laptop (or "use your own hardware") is ram and MAYBE change out the graphics card. The MBP is pretty awesome, and when compared spec-wise to Dell or other manufacturers, they price out about the same (give or take ~$100 either way.)

Resale value. I bought a nice quality high end PC lappy (Sager, the dudes that, at the time, supplied Alienware) the other year, and ONE YEAR LATER I couldn't sell it for more than half the orig price (i've also noticed the same thing goes on with all my buddies with Dell lappys.) I got lucky and found someone to unload it on. My Powerbook, on the other hand is OVER 3 YEARS old and I can still fetch at least 1/2 of orig value.

Flame on...