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[Quezo]

shaq nash and amare = duncan shutdown

this could work.

c'mon shaq, prove you're not the douche I've thought you were for years.

STEEL sucked donkey dick.

[innerear]

Bad Idea! Marion is one of our best defenders, Very versatile, and a shooter. Shaq is slow, hurt and been putting up career low numbers. And he's not a rebounder, and he's a ball hog. The suns greatness lies in the fact that everyone scores, shaq always wants to be the Scorer. If it weren't for shitty refs. we would have won the championship last year.

Bad Bad Idea.
I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am.

[hunter]

Bad Idea! Marion is one of our best defenders, Very versatile, and a shooter. Shaq is slow, hurt and been putting up career low numbers. And he's not a rebounder, and he's a ball hog. The suns greatness lies in the fact that everyone scores, shaq always wants to be the Scorer. If it weren't for shitty refs. we would have won the championship last year.

Bad Bad Idea.
I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am.

You are wrong, and I'll explain it right here so you can jump on the bandwagon w/ the rest of the real fans:

-Marion isn't a spring chicken -- he's been going downhill too.
-Marion is ALSO posting career low numbers in every state on the board. However, at Shaq's peak, Marion has never posted such exceptional numbers.
-Despite this, they're posting the SAME stats. (15pts, 9rb essentially.)
-Shaq is shooting 58% from FG. Better than Marion.
-Marion had a terrible attitude, and was ruining our team chemistry. No player is good enough to keep them around when they're ruining the team chemistry. It was a cancer.
-Shaq is known for bringing people together on and off the court, he is a great locker room presence
-Shaq will be all over the boards, grab rebounds, and kick it up to Nash to start the fast break. Instead of it being Amare doing the rebounding and starting the fast break, he will be able to be a part of it. Replacing Marion's former role at the PF.
-Stoudemire is a better PF than Marion was.
-Shaq will be rehabbed and be more productive than he was in Miami. That is 100% fact. Look at Hill, McDyess, Nash, and Stoudemire. Amare is the most productive recovery from Microfracture Surgery in the league.

And no, last year wasn't about the refs. We just weren't good enough to beat the Spurs. There is no guarantee we could have beat the Jazz in the WCF either, because they pounded us during the regular season, and again, we had no answer for Boozer or AK.

[guitarduane]

Bad Idea! Marion is one of our best defenders, Very versatile, and a shooter. Shaq is slow, hurt and been putting up career low numbers. And he's not a rebounder, and he's a ball hog. The suns greatness lies in the fact that everyone scores, shaq always wants to be the Scorer. If it weren't for shitty refs. we would have won the championship last year.

Bad Bad Idea.
I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am.

You are wrong, and I'll explain it right here so you can jump on the bandwagon w/ the rest of the real fans:

-Marion isn't a spring chicken -- he's been going downhill too.
-Marion is ALSO posting career low numbers in every state on the board. However, at Shaq's peak, Marion has never posted such exceptional numbers.
-Despite this, they're posting the SAME stats. (15pts, 9rb essentially.)
-Shaq is shooting 58% from FG. Better than Marion.
-Marion had a terrible attitude, and was ruining our team chemistry. No player is good enough to keep them around when they're ruining the team chemistry. It was a cancer.
-Shaq is known for bringing people together on and off the court, he is a great locker room presence
-Shaq will be all over the boards, grab rebounds, and kick it up to Nash to start the fast break. Instead of it being Amare doing the rebounding and starting the fast break, he will be able to be a part of it. Replacing Marion's former role at the PF.
-Stoudemire is a better PF than Marion was.
-Shaq will be rehabbed and be more productive than he was in Miami. That is 100% fact. Look at Hill, McDyess, Nash, and Stoudemire. Amare is the most productive recovery from Microfracture Surgery in the league.

And no, last year wasn't about the refs. We just weren't good enough to beat the Spurs. There is no guarantee we could have beat the Jazz in the WCF either, because they pounded us during the regular season, and again, we had no answer for Boozer or AK.

about the only thing i agree with is that stat is a better power forward than marion. stat is better at power forward than most of the league! i think marion was pretty professional with his actions. you never got media quotes of him saying he wanted out like an artest or insert name here. he never said trade me or i will not play. he came out every night and played. his numbers dropped, but that could be attributed to what is around him. bringing in hill took away some of his slashing to the net. marion did say he wanted to be traded, but when it was clear that was not going to happen before the season started, he went to work and never brought it up anymore. that doesn't mean i agree with his choice to leave. i think it's a big mistake. he fits no system better than this one.

as for shaq, we'll have to wait and see. a healthy motivated shaq is very interesting. the suns will still run, i'm not worried about that. i just hope come playoff time, shaq makes the difference the suns have been needing. the concern with shaq is money. next year is pretty much a wash. but now the suns have one more year of luxury tax. that leaves the suns with the same problem, one of the big three have to go; nash, stat or shaq. good luck getting rid of shaq. marion would have been gone after this year anyway. it would have been nice to get some young talent or draft picks for him, instead of an extra year of luxury tax with no reward at the end. however, a champoinship would be reward enough. just expect the suns to be in a rebuild situation after 2 years when shaq, nash, bell and hill are all too old to get trade value.

i would have much more confidence in kerr had the suns been in the mix for gasol, which is a much better fit with the suns system. the lakers stole him for late draft picks and kwame brown. seems like the suns could have put together a much better package with or without matrix in the deal. to me, that's bad GM-ing.

but we'll see... like i said, playoff time is when this trade should really payoff.

[hunter]

Suns will make so money off jersey sales and media appearances for Shaq it will be a wash financially. Besides, a Championship ring is worth 40 million to me anyhow. Especially to shut all the nay-sayers up who were doggin' on the Suns when they didn't have a big man, now when they do -- it's the wrong one. heh.

As far as Marion... saying he's tired of all the trade talk and that his relationship with the Suns is like a bad marriage that needs to end... That's pretty demoralizing and you KNOW he wasn't playing his best ball out there this year. He's kinda been indifferent.

After the 09-10 season, we only have 4 players on the books. We'll see where we're at as far as money goes then... that's too far off to be saying "one of them will have to go."

I think the Suns are going to go on a tear the last 3 months of the season and end up around 60-22.

Ultimately... here's how I see it: It hasn't been working the last 3 years no matter what pieces we added or took away. We never had a true C, and now we do -- and one of the most dominant. He won't be the 30ppg Shaq, but he'll be up around 20/10 which is fine and he will be a great presence on the court and in the locker room... that's exactly what we need.

[thecreeper]

-Shaq will be rehabbed and be more productive than he was in Miami. That is 100% fact. Look at Hill, McDyess, Nash, and Stoudemire. Amare is the most productive recovery from Microfracture Surgery in the league.

Ultimately... here's how I see it: It hasn't been working the last 3 years no matter what pieces we added or took away. We never had a true C, and now we do -- and one of the most dominant. He won't be the 30ppg Shaq, but he'll be up around 20/10 which is fine and he will be a great presence on the court and in the locker room... that's exactly what we need.

you're assuming an awful lot of shaq at this point. he's been injured on and off for 3 years in a row now. even if the suns' medical team is top notch, i don't think you can claim anything is 100% fact, especially when his injuries are chronic and older big men with bad hips/knees/legs don't tend to magically recover. and even when he does play, one of the most worrisome things is that shaq has had a lot of problems staying out of foul trouble this year. of all the heat games i saw this year, shaq usually got quick early fouls, had to sit a good amount of time, then fouled out or was very close to it at the end of the game. Not only that, but he's been easier to shut down in games. Scrubs like the Sixers backup center Calvin Booth have limited him to 5 points and frustrated him into foul trouble, like a game back on Dec 26. i hope shaq can perform better and maybe lead the suns deep into the postseason, since i like the suns and shaq is entertaining to watch in his prime, but at this point, he's gotta show me something first.

[hunter]

-Shaq will be rehabbed and be more productive than he was in Miami. That is 100% fact. Look at Hill, McDyess, Nash, and Stoudemire. Amare is the most productive recovery from Microfracture Surgery in the league.

Ultimately... here's how I see it: It hasn't been working the last 3 years no matter what pieces we added or took away. We never had a true C, and now we do -- and one of the most dominant. He won't be the 30ppg Shaq, but he'll be up around 20/10 which is fine and he will be a great presence on the court and in the locker room... that's exactly what we need.

you're assuming an awful lot of shaq at this point. he's been injured on and off for 3 years in a row now. even if the suns' medical team is top notch, i don't think you can claim anything is 100% fact, especially when his injuries are chronic and older big men with bad hips/knees/legs don't tend to magically recover. and even when he does play, one of the most worrisome things is that shaq has had a lot of problems staying out of foul trouble this year. of all the heat games i saw this year, shaq usually got quick early fouls, had to sit a good amount of time, then fouled out or was very close to it at the end of the game. Not only that, but he's been easier to shut down in games. Scrubs like the Sixers backup center Calvin Booth have limited him to 5 points and frustrated him into foul trouble, like a game back on Dec 26. i hope shaq can perform better and maybe lead the suns deep into the postseason, since i like the suns and shaq is entertaining to watch in his prime, but at this point, he's gotta show me something first.

I just trust what the Coaches, players, and Shaq say. He said he loves to AND CAN run, but was never able to in a system like the Heat's. Welp, I believe him. Why would he lie?

Shaq says his hip is fine and feels no pain in it -- he passed a strenuous phsyiscal, and he's began to practice, and will be played next Wednesday. That sounds pretty good to me. I mean, so far he keeps proving all the nay-sayers wrong, everyone said he'd be out at least 2-weeks until AFTER all-star break, everyone said he was worthless, he'll prove them wrong... We'll make the finals this year.

[capharnaum]

does anybody remember patrick ewing with the sonics?

[thecreeper]

haha

or hakeem olajuwon with the raptors, for that matter.

[Coward Crutch]

[hunter]

YEAR 	TEAM 	G 	GS 	MPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT% 	OFF 	DEF 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	TO 	PF 	PPG
 84-85 	CHI   	82 	82 	38.3 	.515 	.173 	.845 	2.0 	4.5 	6.5 	5.9 	2.39 	.84 	3.55 	3.50 	28.2
 85-86 	CHI   	18 	7 	25.1 	.457 	.167 	.840 	1.3 	2.3 	3.6 	2.9 	2.06 	1.17 	2.50 	2.60 	22.7
 86-87 	CHI   	82 	82 	40.0 	.482 	.182 	.857 	2.0 	3.2 	5.2 	4.6 	2.88 	1.52 	3.32 	2.90 	37.1
 87-88 	CHI   	82 	82 	40.4 	.535 	.132 	.841 	1.7 	3.8 	5.5 	5.9 	3.16 	1.60 	3.07 	3.30 	35.0
 88-89 	CHI   	81 	81 	40.2 	.538 	.276 	.850 	1.8 	6.2 	8.0 	8.0 	2.89 	.80 	3.58 	3.00 	32.5
 89-90 	CHI   	82 	82 	39.0 	.526 	.376 	.848 	1.7 	5.1 	6.9 	6.3 	2.77 	.66 	3.01 	2.90 	33.6
 90-91 	CHI   	82 	82 	37.0 	.539 	.312 	.851 	1.4 	4.6 	6.0 	5.5 	2.72 	1.01 	2.46 	2.80 	31.5
 91-92 	CHI   	80 	80 	38.8 	.519 	.270 	.832 	1.1 	5.3 	6.4 	6.1 	2.28 	.94 	2.50 	2.50 	30.1
 92-93 	CHI   	78 	78 	39.3 	.495 	.352 	.837 	1.7 	5.0 	6.7 	5.5 	2.83 	.78 	2.65 	2.40 	32.6
 94-95 	CHI   	17 	17 	39.3 	.411 	.500 	.801 	1.5 	5.4 	6.9 	5.3 	1.76 	.76 	2.06 	2.80 	26.9
 95-96 	CHI   	82 	82 	37.7 	.495 	.427 	.834 	1.8 	4.8 	6.6 	4.3 	2.20 	.51 	2.40 	2.40 	30.4
 96-97 	CHI   	82 	82 	37.9 	.486 	.374 	.833 	1.4 	4.5 	5.9 	4.3 	1.71 	.54 	2.02 	1.90 	29.6
 97-98 	CHI   	82 	82 	38.8 	.465 	.238 	.784 	1.6 	4.2 	5.8 	3.5 	1.72 	.55 	2.26 	1.80 	28.7
 01-02 	WAS   	60 	53 	34.9 	.416 	.189 	.790 	.8 	4.8 	5.7 	5.2 	1.42 	.43 	2.70 	2.00 	22.9
 02-03 	WAS   	82 	67 	37.0 	.445 	.291 	.821 	.9 	5.2 	6.1 	3.8 	1.50 	.48 	2.11 	2.10 	20.0
 Career 		  1072 	1039 	38.3 	.497 	.327 	.835 	1.6 	4.7 	6.2 	5.3 	2.35 	.80 	2.73 	2.60 	30.1
 Playoff 			179 	179 	41.8 	.487 	.332 	.828 	1.7 	4.7 	6.4 	5.7 	2.10 	.88 	3.05 	3.00 	33.4

He was still better than 80% of the players in the league when he was doing career worsts lol

[eraser]

-Shaq will be rehabbed and be more productive than he was in Miami. That is 100% fact. Look at Hill, McDyess, Nash, and Stoudemire. Amare is the most productive recovery from Microfracture Surgery in the league.

I don't mean to be semantics jerk, but saying something that has yet to happen is 100% fact = does not compute. No matter how likely something is to occur, it can't be 100% fact until it actually occurs - it's science!

While the Suns trainers are top notch (though, I could've sworn that Nash called on his own personal trainer that he found in the soccer world), there are no guarantees.

Amare is definitely an anomaly. While the Suns doctors and trainers deserve tons of credit, you have to consider that Amare is, physically, a freak of nature anyway and that a good chunk of that recovery, I can imagine, is due to the fact that he was so young.

While it's foolish for anyone to be as pessimistic about the Suns acquiring Shaq as they would be had the Suns acquired Oliver Miller (as he is currently - out of the league, out of shape, and out of Doritos), I think it's equally as foolish to assume that Shaq + Suns = Instant Championship.

(A couple of sidenotes ... Marion actually put the kibosh on the Suns getting Garnett over the summer. Also, did anyone know that Oliver Miller played briefly for the Harlem Globetrotters - wow!)

[hunter]

Well, Suns have a better chance now than they have the past 3 seasons with this makeup IMO. We could have won if everything would have gone our way, and I mean EVERYTHING. Now, we have more skill, finesse, and size.

[jesse]

man, i was expecting all the phoenix fans to hate this move.

i guess it's kind of a "wait and see" situation, cause i don't think anyone knows what to expect.

[The Real Jeffrey Lebowski]

I expect we'll finally have some interior defense, Shaq will be able to start fast breaks with outlet passes - and if we don't get anything, we'll finally be able to play a half-court game. Also, Amare can finally stay at PF (and out of foul trouble since we won't be relying on him for interior D) and learn from under Shaq's wing.

We'll get into the playoffs with or without Shaq, but I believe now we'll be able to go deeper.