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#16 thecreeper

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:02 PM

And he fucking didn't serve his time for the crime he committed. He's a fucking doucheface who should go to jail.

im not particularly in the mood to debate the merits of sending a 76 year old man to jail for something he did 32 years ago that was very obviously wrong and despicable, but I think there should be a distinction made on him "serving his time". He did in fact serve his time as agreed upon by the courts at the time. He was scheduled to serve 90 days under psychiatric evaluation, and was released early after 42 days. He signed a plea agreement that said he would undergo the evaluation, and there was even a provision allowing him to first travel overseas to finish his current project, and in return he would have 5 of the 6 charges dropped against him, with an expected period of probation after release. Despite the probation officer, examining psychiatrist and the victim herself all recommending against jail time, the judge and the district attorney renegged on the deal and decided to send him back to prison, then order him deported. in other words, there was some sweetheart celebrity treatment here by the state at the time, basically dropping all the charges and letting him freely leave the country before his jail term, and an early release, which frankly shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who follows any celebrity trial. i think the original deal was awful generous to Mr. Polanski, but that falls on the attorneys. The fact that the court basically voided the plea deal to the vocal arguments of everyone else involved is an epic bungling of the legal system at the time. either they should have had the balls to prosecute him to a harsher penalty and not offered the deal, or they should have abided by the terms of the deal itself. Polanski essentially fled the US to avoid jail time of questionable legality. I think it's disingenuous to say he didn't serve his time. He certainly shouldn't have fled, but there's just so much done wrong on each side of this case.

They had the victim on Larry King a few weeks ago, and she seemed to look at the whole thing rather realistically, I thought. She basically said that Polanski did a really terrible thing, but the fact of the matter was that he served his time, she was amicable to the plea bargain, and still the judge decided that he should return to jail despite protests from everyone involved, because the judge was concerned about how he would be portrayed in the media. She said she didn't think he should be sent to prison at this point, as he served the time originally agreed upon and had settled the monetary part of the case, and has been a model citizen since then (aside from fleeing the US, but again, there were reasons for that). While my personal view is that Polanski probably should have been in prison for at least a few years for what he did, that should have been done to start with and not 32 years later trapping the director in a "gotcha!" sting operation to bring him up on charges that are now rather questionable to begin with.

so yeah, is the dude rather scummy? definitely. is that the heart of the issue of him being arrested this time? no.
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:09 PM

well, i'm pretty decent at my job, so i should be allowed to commit mid-level crimes.
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:11 PM

they send Nazi war criminals to serve their time years afterwards!

all other legal aspects aside, you cannot disobey a judge's ordering.

If i commit a crime and am sentenced to serve a punishment by a legal system, i will most definitely try to avoid it through legal action. But i can't just say "Well the judge ordered this because he didn't want to appear soft on crime so im just gonna leave the country to avoid what the judge ordered"

that's bullshit sorry.

A judge's ruling is a judge's ruling. Saying otherwise opens the door to everyone saying they don't have to adhere to our legal system.

If he had already gotten the star treatment throughout his case and the judge decided differently, he should have taken that up with the an appeal. He should have, again, gone through the legal system instead of just fleeing.
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:14 PM

not considering the fact that he is a terrible dude... avoiding the law for 30 years is pretty ballin'.
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:15 PM

he raped a child

no matter how much time passes

it will never be ok

I don't care if that grown up child said it's ok

it will never be ok

he drugged and raped a child

it will never be ok
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#21 thecreeper

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:17 PM

he raped a child

no matter how much time passes

it will never be ok

I don't care if that grown up child said it's ok

it will never be ok

he drugged and raped a child

it will never be ok


k, but that's not the issue i was bringing up at all. she herself said it was absolutely not ok he did it. i agree. the issue is not with the rape, it is with him fleeing the country at this point. that is why he was arrested.

they send Nazi war criminals to serve their time years afterwards!

all other legal aspects aside, you cannot disobey a judge's ordering.

If i commit a crime and am sentenced to serve a punishment by a legal system, i will most definitely try to avoid it through legal action. But i can't just say "Well the judge ordered this because he didn't want to appear soft on crime so im just gonna leave the country to avoid what the judge ordered"

that's bullshit sorry.

A judge's ruling is a judge's ruling. Saying otherwise opens the door to everyone saying they don't have to adhere to our legal system.

If he had already gotten the star treatment throughout his case and the judge decided differently, he should have taken that up with the an appeal. He should have, again, gone through the legal system instead of just fleeing.


you can see it however you want, but the fact is, this was a massive legal system blunder, and the court can't just say "remember that deal we made!? well we don't like it anymore, and people are saying we look like pussies! sorry asshole, back to jail!" that's idiotic, and a clear violation of the ethics of the judicial system. the judge doesn't get to rule by the seat of his pants and ignore legal plea documents. if you want to throw the book at polanski for fleeing, you better be willing to take the judge (and district attorney for that matter) down with him and bring them up on 32 year old counts of judicial misconduct.
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:22 PM

he raped a child

no matter how much time passes

it will never be ok

I don't care if that grown up child said it's ok

it will never be ok

he drugged and raped a child

it will never be ok


k, but that's not the issue i was bringing up at all.

they send Nazi war criminals to serve their time years afterwards!

all other legal aspects aside, you cannot disobey a judge's ordering.

If i commit a crime and am sentenced to serve a punishment by a legal system, i will most definitely try to avoid it through legal action. But i can't just say "Well the judge ordered this because he didn't want to appear soft on crime so im just gonna leave the country to avoid what the judge ordered"

that's bullshit sorry.

A judge's ruling is a judge's ruling. Saying otherwise opens the door to everyone saying they don't have to adhere to our legal system.

If he had already gotten the star treatment throughout his case and the judge decided differently, he should have taken that up with the an appeal. He should have, again, gone through the legal system instead of just fleeing.


you can see it however you want, but the fact is, this was a massive legal system blunder, and the court can't just say "remember that deal we made!? well we don't like it anymore, and people are saying we look like pussies! sorry asshole, back to jail!" that's idiotic, and a clear violation of the ethics of the judicial system. the judge doesn't get to rule by the seat of his pants and ignore legal plea documents. if you want to throw the book at polanski for fleeing, you better be willing to take the judge (and district attorney for that matter) down with him and bring them up on 32 year old counts of judicial misconduct.



That's fine. That's what they should do. They should use the legal system to fix the problems within it.

You can't just ignore it because you can afford to flee the country.

And the max possible he could serve is 2 years. I am sure his vast legal team will cut a deal for him to serve the 90 days or less.
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#23 Jacki O.

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:28 PM

for all we know all those people on that list (which is blocked here so I can't see) like to have sex with 13 year olds.


from that site:
Woody Allen, Wes Anderson, Darren Aronofsky, Jonathan Demme, Martin Scorsese, Kent Jones,Harmony Korine, Richard Pena, Jerry Schatzberg, Julian Schnabel, Barbet Schroeder, Paul Auster, Mike Nichols,Diane von Furstenberg, Harvey Weinstein, Adrien Brody, Jonathan Klein, Natalie Portman, Scott Foundas, John Landis, Alexander Payne, Taylor Hackford, Steven Soderbergh, Michael Mann J. Neil Schulman, Harrison Ford, David Lynch, Terry Zwigoff
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:28 PM

the whole thing is a self-righteous circus at this point anyway. one side wants to paint polanski as this perfect citizen who's a victim of a petty sting operation to get him back to the US, the other side wants to paint it as some malicious child rapist finally getting his comeuppance after jumping the U.S to avoid sentencing. The truth is somewhere in between, and regardless of what happens now, it won't change the fact that he did something awful in 1977 and the entire case was shittily handled from start to finish to allow this to get to this point in the first place.
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:29 PM

they send Nazi war criminals to serve their time years afterwards!


Word!

Put the scumbag back in jail. If he cant serve 90 soft days in a posh "prison", then all of the strife, and struggle that he represents and expresses in his movies, came from a man who doesn't understand these things. :angry:
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#26 rudolpho of pensacola

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:30 PM

But to me, rape is rape, especially raping a child?
Fuck that shit.
He drugged and raped and sodomized a 13 year old girl. And he fucking didn't serve his time for the crime he committed. He's a fucking doucheface who should go to jail.


do you know for a fact that he indeed did rape her? if so, how and why do you know this as fact?
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#27 Jacki O.

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:36 PM



But to me, rape is rape, especially raping a child?
Fuck that shit.
He drugged and raped and sodomized a 13 year old girl. And he fucking didn't serve his time for the crime he committed. He's a fucking doucheface who should go to jail.


do you know for a fact that he indeed did rape her? if so, how and why do you know this as fact?



he pleaded guilty in 1978 to the charge of rape and the smoking gun has published the court documents from the grand jury minutes from the case here FYI it's a pretty disturbing read

Asked why she did not more forcefully resist Polanski, the teenager told Deputy D.A. Roger Gunson, "Because I was afraid of him."
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also from ABC (i know i know) there's a story that Polanski agreed to pay the victim $$$$$
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 01:04 PM

read it. i agree for the most part. i think?
i wonder why so many prominent and what seems to be decent human beings stand behind him?
it just seems suspicious? hmmm. you never really know for sure what the truth is.

i know one thing for sure. he was, i believe it was france having an affair while sharon tate
and their child-to-be were murdered by the manson family. i wonder if he felt like a dog?
probably not.
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 01:11 PM

that was a distrubing read. I feel sick now.
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 01:15 PM

and yet i dig his movies. i am going to hell!
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