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[Jacki O.]

I'm sure they are going around telling each other how great they are. But them Boycotting is bringing more attention to the problem then if they do nothing, I think giving celebritys credit for anything beside making their art is stupid but thats just my opinion. But I realize that most people idiolize muscians and other celebrities so more power to them.

I already stated somethings to do start patetions send them to your goverment officials. Go to Scottsdale door to door with information on how sb1070 is unconstitutional and unjust. Give them facts on how crime has not risen in the past 15 years despite what is being said. All of these may not make sudden impacts but the more noise there is the more they get concered. It's easy to get on a soap box around people who agree with everything you say try doing it in front of people who disagree.

Oh and have sex with hot mexicans.

those are good suggestions no doubt

how do you know people on here don't try discussing these issues with people that don't agree with them?
just because we post shit on here doesn't mean we dont do anything else!

we all agree on being active involving these issues, and most of us are, i dont think finger pointing and trying to put people down for what you think they do and dont do is gonna help anything. and the only person we are responsible to for action/inaction is ourselves.

i do like to get on my soap box and talk shit but it helps me formulate my arguments when i do discuss the issue with people that dont hold the same beliefs as i. Though i definitely think i could use more help with discussing these things with certain types of people, i usually end up getting pretty emotional.

i definitely agree that those bands signing up to boycott az is at least bringing attention to the matter, and i guess any attention is better than nothing at all.

and if sexing up hot Mexicans helps the cause, just call me the Zach De la Rocha of the anti-Sb1070 movement in az!!!

Hot Mexicans are welcome in my vagina any day!

i banged this hombre:




and i would do it again and again






and again

[venven]

rage against the machine? more like inaction against the machine. am i right? am i right? probably not.. but yeah, definitely a whole lot of "we did something here" when you did nothing at all.

I wouldn't consider bringing worlwide attention to this issue "nothing." They're standing in solidarity for something they believe is wrong. I understand what they are doing but, unfortunately, it hurts those of us who live here who are against the bill. Not all of us are ignorant racists.

[illya]

Zack de la Rocha's Sound Strike - Artists officially boycotting Arizona to protest against SB1070

Here's a list of the courageous artists who have taken a stand for civil and human rights in this collective decision to boycott Arizona:

Cypress Hill
Juanes
Conor Oberst
Los Tigres del Norte
Rage Against the Machine
Cafe Tacvba
Micheal Moore
Kanye West
Calle 13
Joe Satriani
Serj Tankian
Rise Against
Ozomatli
Sabertooth Tiger
Massive Attack
One Day as a Lion
Street Sweeper Social Club
Spank Rock
Sonic Youth
Tenacious D

If touring bands want to commit to this, then do it. Don't be a hypocrite. If your perception is that the government is failing the people, start boycotting Mississippi and Louisiana for not doing more to prevent oil rigs from destroying an ocean. If your perception is that SB 1070 is thinly veiled racism then you must also gear up for a boycott of France. If your perception is that SB 1070 is total cultural oppression, stop touring in China. If you think that it's all-out cultural war, stop touring in Serbia, who continues to harbor war criminals who have slaughtered thousands.

stop touring in France once the ban on hijabs has taken effect (http://www.vancouver...0709/story.html) to continue your quest against thinly veiled racism (no pun intended)

stop touring in China (i don't think i need to explain this one)
-Bands on the boycott list that have toured in china: Sonic Youth, Ozomatli, Tenacious D, Kanye West, Joe Satriani...

stop touring in Serbia- http://www.rferl.org...le/1064245.html
-Bands on the boycott list that have toured in serbia: sonic youth, joe satriani, probably more i got tired of googling them all..

perhaps some of this is slightly hyperbolic, but if you're going to take a stand and want to be taken seriously, you have to be consistent. otherwise, piss off.

[donald]

This thread has been stirring people up.

To be honest, we need people to be stirred up. I have been emailing with Kimber since this morning and there is so much to be done. There is so much that people are doing besides just bitching about the bill. If people want more info, or if they want to know how to help, email Kimber ask her what you can do. Hell, ask me, I will let you know some of the stuff I am doing.

Here is something I was just made aware of by kimber http://www.vivaarizona.org/home.php


if people want to stay informed I have people on twitter I can let you know about, if I find something cool I generally retweet it along with ramblings of where I eat and other nonsense http://twitter.com/donaldmartinez

[Rocquero]

zach de la rocha -- punishing his fans for something they had nothing to do with.




solidarity, dude.




seriously, standing up for what you believe in is cool, but all these "boycotts" are probably not helping anything. i doubt arpaio or brewer are big sonic youth fans.

[donald]

people should also look at the updates to the website, new bands (and comedians) are joining, including not so over the hill bands like My Morning Jacket, and known activist/musiciands such as Billy Bragg


Nine Inch Nails
Chris Rock
Maroon 5
Gogol Bordello
My Morning Jacket
Ben Harper
Ry Cooder
Pitbull
Steve Earle
Billy Bragg
Sweet Honey and the Rock
Anti-Flag
Throwing Muses
State Radio
Aztlan Underground
DJ Spooky

[joe.distort]

Nine Inch Nails

see and this is why it is annoying to me- NIN just did their 'final' tour last year. i think people that want to boycott SHOULD, i am not telling them how to make whatever statement they want, but if you arent an active band, adding your name to a list is just ridiculous.

[chalupacabra]

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top touring in China (i don't think i need to explain this one)
-Bands on the boycott list that have toured in china: Sonic Youth, Ozomatli, Tenacious D, Kanye West, Joe Satriani...

A-fucking-men. Even when enacted SB1070 is not going to cause a fraction of the human rights abuses of China.

[venven]

zach de la rocha -- punishing his fans for something they had nothing to do with.




solidarity, dude.




seriously, standing up for what you believe in is cool, but all these "boycotts" are probably not helping anything. i doubt arpaio or brewer are big sonic youth fans.

the point of the boycott is to keep money out of Arizona. It's working, dude.

I don't agree with it because it's hurting our economy but it is effective. You can't argue with that.

[venven]

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top touring in China (i don't think i need to explain this one)
-Bands on the boycott list that have toured in china: Sonic Youth, Ozomatli, Tenacious D, Kanye West, Joe Satriani...

A-fucking-men. Even when enacted SB1070 is not going to cause a fraction of the human rights abuses of China.

When i get pulled over and harassed because my skin is brown, i'll remember this. Thank you for reminding me that I don't have it as bad as the Chinese. Racial profiling is not so bad after all!

[donald]

+1 for you Venven

[Tony]

the point of the boycott is to keep money out of Arizona. It's working, dude.

I don't agree with it because it's hurting our economy but it is effective. You can't argue with that.

i can absolutely argue with that. have you seen any republican lawmakers reconsider this bill since the boycotts started? if anything, they're digging in their heels even more. i agree with charlie levy's letter - the boycott is hurting the people that typically oppose 1070. until somebody with a little more economic impact follows through on a boycott threat, it's fruitless. but thanks for speaking out, gogol bordello (seriously?).

When i get pulled over and harassed because my skin is brown, i'll remember this. Thank you for reminding me that I don't have it as bad as the Chinese. Racial profiling is not so bad after all!

the chinese are exponentially worse off than you, but that's not the point. i think the argument here is that a bunch of these bands are quick to play the "we're standing up for human rights!" card because it's going to get them some publicity and make them look like humanitarians and cost them relatively little (if not zero). but, for whatever reason (money) these bands weren't quite so vocal about human rights when they played china or eastern europe. in my mind, that makes them as hypocritical as the pro-1070 crowd that talks about defending the USA while they piss on the constitution.

i'm a white male and i've never been harassed about anything, though, so my perspective is obviously different than yours. i'm not trying to trivialize your experiences, but i really disagree with the spirit of the boycott. i guess it's better than silence or complete apathy, but if somebody was serious about taking a stand i'd hope it would include more than a press release announcing that they're not going to come here (especially when they weren't going to come here anyway).

[venven]

the point of the boycott is to keep money out of Arizona. It's working, dude.

I don't agree with it because it's hurting our economy but it is effective. You can't argue with that.

i can absolutely argue with that. have you seen any republican lawmakers reconsider this bill since the boycotts started? if anything, they're digging in their heels even more. i agree with charlie levy's letter - the boycott is hurting the people that typically oppose 1070. until somebody with a little more economic impact follows through on a boycott threat, it's fruitless. but thanks for speaking out, gogol bordello (seriously?).

When i get pulled over and harassed because my skin is brown, i'll remember this. Thank you for reminding me that I don't have it as bad as the Chinese. Racial profiling is not so bad after all!

the chinese are exponentially worse off than you, but that's not the point. i think the argument here is that a bunch of these bands are quick to play the "we're standing up for human rights!" card because it's going to get them some publicity and make them look like humanitarians and cost them relatively little (if not zero). but, for whatever reason (money) these bands weren't quite so vocal about human rights when they played china or eastern europe. in my mind, that makes them as hypocritical as the pro-1070 crowd that talks about defending the USA while they piss on the constitution.

i'm a white male and i've never been harassed about anything, though, so my perspective is obviously different than yours. i'm not trying to trivialize your experiences, but i really disagree with the spirit of the boycott. i guess it's better than silence or complete apathy, but if somebody was serious about taking a stand i'd hope it would include more than a press release announcing that they're not going to come here (especially when they weren't going to come here anyway).

Boycotts threatened or carried out over Arizona’s new immigration enforcement law could cost the Phoenix metropolitan area $90 million in hotel and convention business over five years, Mayor Phil Gordon said Tuesday.

here's the link: http://www.nytimes.c.../12phoenix.html (or not)


I think $90 million is a huge economic impact, don't you? The spirit of the boycott is this: you think i am a second class citizen because of the color of my skin? you think it's ok to to question my citizenship because of what i look like? ok, then, i'll take my money elsewhere.===== That's the spirit of the boycott. it's not just a publicity stunt.

like i said before, i don't agree with the boycott because it's hurting local business-more importantly for me, it's hurting my friends. it truly sucks.

is your argument really about bands going after some publicity? really? about bands being hypocrites?

lets go out for a beer and talk about this (and try not to get in a fight) shall we?

[Tony]

the point of the boycott is to keep money out of Arizona. It's working, dude.

I don't agree with it because it's hurting our economy but it is effective. You can't argue with that.

i can absolutely argue with that. have you seen any republican lawmakers reconsider this bill since the boycotts started? if anything, they're digging in their heels even more. i agree with charlie levy's letter - the boycott is hurting the people that typically oppose 1070. until somebody with a little more economic impact follows through on a boycott threat, it's fruitless. but thanks for speaking out, gogol bordello (seriously?).

When i get pulled over and harassed because my skin is brown, i'll remember this. Thank you for reminding me that I don't have it as bad as the Chinese. Racial profiling is not so bad after all!

the chinese are exponentially worse off than you, but that's not the point. i think the argument here is that a bunch of these bands are quick to play the "we're standing up for human rights!" card because it's going to get them some publicity and make them look like humanitarians and cost them relatively little (if not zero). but, for whatever reason (money) these bands weren't quite so vocal about human rights when they played china or eastern europe. in my mind, that makes them as hypocritical as the pro-1070 crowd that talks about defending the USA while they piss on the constitution.

i'm a white male and i've never been harassed about anything, though, so my perspective is obviously different than yours. i'm not trying to trivialize your experiences, but i really disagree with the spirit of the boycott. i guess it's better than silence or complete apathy, but if somebody was serious about taking a stand i'd hope it would include more than a press release announcing that they're not going to come here (especially when they weren't going to come here anyway).

Boycotts threatened or carried out over Arizona’s new immigration enforcement law could cost the Phoenix metropolitan area $90 million in hotel and convention business over five years, Mayor Phil Gordon said Tuesday.

here's the link: http://www.nytimes.c.../12phoenix.html (or not)


I think $90 million is a huge economic impact, don't you? The spirit of the boycott is this: you think i am a second class citizen because of the color of my skin? you think it's ok to to question my citizenship because of what i look like? ok, then, i'll take my money elsewhere.===== That's the spirit of the boycott. it's not just a publicity stunt.

like i said before, i don't agree with the boycott because it's hurting local business-more importantly for me, it's hurting my friends. it truly sucks.

is your argument really about bands going after some publicity? really? about bands being hypocrites?

lets go out for a beer and talk about this (and try not to get in a fight) shall we?

i guess we disagree on what constitutes a successful boycott. if the end goal is to cost the state money, then yes, it's working. if the end goal is to make politicians reverse their stance on 1070, well, i haven't seen any evidence of that. which is gravely concerning to say the least, since our state is broke to begin with. for everyone's sake, i hope the economic impact causes a reversal of the bill, but i don't have a ton of faith in our state government to act rationally on this.

and yes, i think that some bands joined the boycott for the sake of publicity. i DO think that they oppose the law, however. let's take sonic youth as an example: they probably oppose 1070, and they probably think that human rights violations in china are a bad thing too. so why take a stand against arizona, but still go to china? i think it's about money, and the money they make in china is enough for them to put their principles aside. to me, that's hypocritical.

i think its safe to say we're on the same side of things here, we just don't see eye to eye on how effective people's efforts are to change it. i'll gladly have a beer and not get in a fight with you.

[donald]

What I find a little bit frustrating is the fact that we all agree that 1070 is bad, but we are bickering about how other people out of our control are making a stance against 1070. Instead of Uniting against sb1070 we are going back and forth on whether a band that I haven't given a shit about in years is touring in China and not in Arizona. I feel people are trying to focus the attention on China, when the whole point of this fucking thread is SB1070, or am I just out of it?

this is completely ridiculous.

I guess this is in the "Sound Strike" thread and not the actual "sb1070" thread which makes it more appropriate, so maybe I am the one that is completely out of line.

For those who are upset about what is going on, let's do something!


Up to this point, I have heard people bitching, but have only seen a few people doing something, I say let's get together, let's read the bill together, (for those who haven't read it) let's talk about it, let's get informed. Let's figure out a way we can do something, maybe setup a show and distribute information about sb1070 to people, let's get people to register to vote. Let's create flyers listing local businesses in support of 1070 and do demonstrations in front of them. Let's make people aware!!!

Let's stop bickering about Sonic Youth and NIN because they played in China and aren't gonna play Arizona please for fucks sake.

I am willing to take this on, I am willing to get my hands dirty, my question to anyone reading this is if you are ready to do something now too?

I'm getting with Kimber tomorrow night to go over stuff about 1070, and if we come up with something I know she would back it with me. If you are interested email me donald at theshizz.org, you don't have to be in a band, you just have to want to do something, it's really not that difficult, I have been to many marches, and events. I have never over exerted myself, and I always feel better after the event that I actually did something.

This really is a historical moment in our state and our country, I know years from now I can tell my kids and grandkids I was involved in making this a better place.

Let's focus our bitching at the bill and not at each other