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[glitterbot]

i have also heard it is cell phones. matt and i were talking about this a couple of weeks ago. he said that what he heard was that it was the cell phones that disrupt their natural ability to be able to navigate, and that it is the first step on the road to starvation nation. of course, i am still all yakkity yak, texting, etc.
i swear i think we are on a doom course right now. i sometimes feel this overwhelming feeling that it is just too late to stop, that we have already completely ruined this planet and there is no going back. we can maybe slow the process, but without some sort of extinction level event, there is no reversing it. There are too many humans, and humans run roughshod over everything in their path. even the ones who THINK and TRY and CARE are still like a blight on this planet. that is one of the reasons why i never wanted children...there are already too many of us, and what is going to be here for them in 10, 20, 30 years? how about 50 years? and those of you who know me know i am not some granola hippy jerk idiot, even though this totally sounds like i am. i just find it all so goddam depressing. if it i think about everything we have done, to the earth, to animals, to other people, to the oceans, etc etc, i just want to curl up in a ball and go to sleep. sometimes i think we are due for a massive plague or something, that will decimate human population without destroying the planet. clean air, clean water, empty spaces. maybe it is coming. maybe it is the bees. jesus, now i am really depressed. thanks a lot, shizz!


btw, hey everyone, stop having kids!! or at least, stop having more than one kid.

[Mary]

I think of our species as an experiment that might well fail, and yes, part of the sad part is that we're taking other species down with us, but without these big goofy brains, we wouldn't even know enough to be sad. However crappy we make things, I figure that once the universe has spit us out, the cycle will continue one way or another. Don't know whether that helps . . . it helps me, though.

[jesse]

more effed up enviro news
arctic melting fast

i just recently saw 'an inconvenient truth' and that is some scary business.

[raubhimself]

referencing this post's original title, do you think our culture's outlook on the pressing environmental concerns are influenced by our culture's tendency for escapism coupled with our deep-seated tradition of convincing ourselves that sustainability is something of the past?

yes.

i hate the whole argument that all the environmental changes aren't our fault. who fucking cares! it doesn't matter who's fault it is, or if it is natural, if it is going to impact us in a big way. and the arguments that say nothing is changing are just bullshit. it doesn't matter what state the environment is in, we should treat it kindly.

at the rate things are going, i think the best case scenario is that we as humans fulfill the prophecy of so many sci-fi writers... Earth becomes a fabled place know as the origin of man and little more. no one will be able to find it because it will look like an inhospitable world.

[thecreeper]

more effed up enviro news
arctic melting fast

i just recently saw 'an inconvenient truth' and that is some scary business.

me and raub were walking through the italian market in Philly over the weekend and some dude was handing out flyers and proclaiming "AL GORE IS A LIAR AND A MURDERER. DON'T BELIEVE HIS LIBERAL LIES" or something to that extent.

we were like, who is he murdering? who is he harming? he's not doing it for political gains as he isn't running for office...

[unluckycharm]

on the slightly positive side, it's my understanding from listening to NPR that business & politicians are starting to take action (esp. in california).... it may be too little too late who knows, but the environment issues are becoming clear and undisputable even to the naysayers.

btw, i agree with you glitterbot...for a longtime i've wondered why world governments don't enact more population control policies. isn't it obvious that there are limited resources in the world? and yet only a few governments 'govern' reproductive patterns. i'm not talking about totalitarianism, but there are some rather simple incentives that can be put in place to limit population explosions.

do you know who the #1 user of Coal is for energy? China. Not pointing the finger at China alone, but think about how their population growth is going to increase their use of coal. yikes.

[mothrock]

What I thought was strange about the bees disappearing, is that the beekeepers say that there aren't any dead bee bodies around. So either they are all dying away from the hives, or the bees are the ones taking off to another planet...

just wait 28 days.

then there will be zomBEEs!!

[Hooray For Everything]

i have also heard it is cell phones. matt and i were talking about this a couple of weeks ago. he said that what he heard was that it was the cell phones that disrupt their natural ability to be able to navigate, and that it is the first step on the road to starvation nation. of course, i am still all yakkity yak, texting, etc.
i swear i think we are on a doom course right now. i sometimes feel this overwhelming feeling that it is just too late to stop, that we have already completely ruined this planet and there is no going back. we can maybe slow the process, but without some sort of extinction level event, there is no reversing it. There are too many humans, and humans run roughshod over everything in their path. even the ones who THINK and TRY and CARE are still like a blight on this planet. that is one of the reasons why i never wanted children...there are already too many of us, and what is going to be here for them in 10, 20, 30 years? how about 50 years? and those of you who know me know i am not some granola hippy jerk idiot, even though this totally sounds like i am. i just find it all so goddam depressing. if it i think about everything we have done, to the earth, to animals, to other people, to the oceans, etc etc, i just want to curl up in a ball and go to sleep. sometimes i think we are due for a massive plague or something, that will decimate human population without destroying the planet. clean air, clean water, empty spaces. maybe it is coming. maybe it is the bees. jesus, now i am really depressed. thanks a lot, shizz!


btw, hey everyone, stop having kids!! or at least, stop having more than one kid.

granola hippy jerk

[dharma_bum]

fuck it, let's move to the moon and fuck that up as well. who's with me????

[Jacki O.]

Maybe we could all move here

our astronauts need to be out there discovering places for us to move to after we can no longer live on earth! they need to be out in space, no shitting in diapers and driving arcoss the US to kidnapp people.

in all seriousness - everything on this earth is dependent on each other and if you fuck up one thing, everything else gets fucked up too. its true that things evolve and survival of the fittest is a necessity but when you make survival impossible then there is not change or evolution or progress.

however nature does have a way of regulating things. maybe some big plague will come and wipe out almost all the humans? and we'll have to start over again...but this time we'll be smarter and know about the importance of the environment and computers and shit.....

[Hooray For Everything]

nothin, nevermind

[Mary]

maybe some big plague will come and wipe out almost all the humans? and we'll have to start over again...but this time we'll be smarter and know about the importance of the environment and computers and shit.....

HFE was here last time that happened; he just didn't want to say so and make you feel worse.

[vitaminardi]

on the slightly positive side, it's my understanding from listening to NPR that business & politicians are starting to take action (esp. in california).... it may be too little too late who knows, but the environment issues are becoming clear and undisputable even to the naysayers.

btw, i agree with you glitterbot...for a longtime i've wondered why world governments don't enact more population control policies. isn't it obvious that there are limited resources in the world? and yet only a few governments 'govern' reproductive patterns. i'm not talking about totalitarianism, but there are some rather simple incentives that can be put in place to limit population explosions.

do you know who the #1 user of Coal is for energy? China. Not pointing the finger at China alone, but think about how their population growth is going to increase their use of coal. yikes.

China does use a lot of coal for electricity, but so does the US, Japan, and Germany. The US uses way more petroleum than China, and has a fraction of the population.

-The fucked thing about population issues is that there is more food in this world than ever...more than enough to feed everyone, but people are starving.
"population crisis" is a cover for the fucked up way we grow food nowadays. did anyone know that 80% of the corn and soy grown in the US feeds animals? All that intensive cultivation uses a lot of water and pesticides...and its not even for people! Methane from all these cows is a huge contributor to global warming too... that right, COW FARTS. The US gets more calories from beef than any nation in the world, and in order to satisfy the american beef-eater, we've had to grow a lot of corn, and cut down a lot of rainforest. people in China, India, and mexico get most of their calories from grains, and its been like that for a zillion years.

Its easy to bring up china, but...hey the US is still the world leader in environmental fuckery!

[Jacki O.]

maybe some big plague will come and wipe out almost all the humans? and we'll have to start over again...but this time we'll be smarter and know about the importance of the environment and computers and shit.....

HFE was here last time that happened; he just didn't want to say so and make you feel worse.

wow he's old