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[Nil_Failstorm]

Well, we're almost all the way up and running, venue-wise. I got denied by the city because of a bunch of political crap, so I'm getting a lawyer to help out with the state hearing coming up.

But in the meantime, I hate having a place where the Saturday afternoon crowd is bigger than the Saturday night crowd. We're dead almost every night after our regulars leave around 9-10pm.

Our entertainment license is approved, and we have out interim liquor permit--so we can have bands and booze.

But I can't afford to get a PA until after I finish up all the red tape involved with the licensing process.

So if there's anyone with a PA who wants to play a show, let me know. We've got a FREE show on Saturday, Nov 17th with Big Vinny and Casket Life. But other than that, nothing's planned.

We've got a full kitchen and it can be whatever kind of event; not just bands. All ages or 21+ events. No room fees right now since we have no PA. Band keeps 100% of the door.

The Haunted Castle
6463 S Rural Rd
Tempe AZ 85283
SE corner of Rural & Guadalupe
(the old sign "The Derby" is still up, but being changed next week)

I'm there seven days a week, but I'm in and out all the time. So, if you're interested, drop by or leave a message and I'll get back to you asap.
480-345-1332

[hunter]

cool. that's awesome man.

[Eric Az]

Big bro loves The Shizz.org

http://www.azcentral...ogspot1030.html

It's not often a new restaurant or bar gets turned down for a liquor license in Tempe.

After all, it is a college town.

But a clearly peeved City Council has voted against a proposed Halloween/horror-themed restaurant, bar and music venue called the Haunted Castle after it caught wind of an Internet posting.

The council didn't look kindly on the wannabe bar owner's reference to a faux name. Nor did it seem to appreciate his mentions of getting a Series 12 restaurant liquor license instead of the more expensive bar one.

Just goes to show, what pops up on the World Wide Web may come back to haunt you. (Especially if your theme is Halloween.)

By the way, the council doesn't actually decide who gets a liquor license, it only makes a recommendation to the State Liquor Board, so the Haunted Castle may happen anyway.

Look for it at 6463 S. Rural Road, near Guadalupe Road.

That's too good. I live 2 miles from there, so will be stoppin in if The Man allows.

[weener]

That's bullcrap. Is there a rule against talking about that on the internet? Are they just pissed off about this person's desire to spend less on a liquor license?

[mig50]

That's bullcrap. Is there a rule against talking about that on the internet? Are they just pissed off about this person's desire to spend less on a liquor license?

there's not a rule about talking about it on the internet, but there's also not a rule about reading about it on the internet (...and subsequently taking action based upon what you've read).

[weener]

But why would they give a crap if Nils got the cheaper liquor license? Did they just want that extra $91,300?

[mig50]

Did they just want that extra $91,300?

duh.

[glitterbot]

Tempe City Council Meeting
Minutes – October 25, 2007
7

LIQ LIC (0210-02)

Held a public hearing and recommended the denial of a Series 12 Restaurant Liquor
License for The Haunted Castle, 6463 South Rural Road.
COMMENTS:
Kurt Havelock, Agent
DOCUMENT NAME:
20071025LIQ9.pdf LIQ LIC (0210-02)
PUBLIC HEARING
Bill Butler, Tempe. He was asked by a neighbor to bring a copy of a “blog” forward. He cautioned Council that
the date is wrong, the address is wrong, the name is wrong. The only thing correct is the name of the bar,
which is “The Haunted Castle.” If this is the same Haunted Castle as the one referred to in the “blog” in March,
then maybe Council should take a second look at inviting this group to open a business in a nice, quiet
neighborhood at Rural and Guadalupe. It is evidently a hard rock, loud noise venue that would be put into that
neighborhood.
Councilmember Arredondo asked Kay Savard, Tax and License Coordinator, to come forward. He stated that
he thought a “haunted house” during Halloween was for kids.
Kay Savard responded that the name of the establishment is “The Haunted House” and it was formerly “Derby
Bar & Grill.” The name has been changed.
Councilmember Arredondo asked for clarification that it was only to be open for twenty days.
Ms. Savard clarified that it was a full time restaurant.
Councilmember Arredondo clarified that this is only a name and not something that is coming in for twenty days
and then leaving.
Ms. Savard responded that they are simply changing the name of an existing restaurant.
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Mayor Hallman asked for the restrictions on a restaurant liquor license.
Ms. Savard stated that there must be a minimum of 40% food sales at that location.
Mayor Hallman asked if we know if this location has applied for a permit for loud music or other performances.
Ms. Savard stated that she didn’t know; that would come through the Development Services Department.
Chris Anaradian responded that he did not have that information, but verified that they would require a use
permit for amplified sound which could be subject to revocation if the noise ordinance were repeatedly violated.
Mayor Hallman clarified that the granting of a liquor license is not pertinent to whether or not they can have live
performances or amplified sound.
Mr. Anaradian verified that the two applications are separate.
Mayor Hallman stated that assuming this “blog” is correct, it is detailing the kinds of performances that one
might want to seek at this place. As far as we know tonight, no use permits have been granted for any kind of
live performances.
APPLICANT PRESENTATION
Kurt Havelock stated that this is a year-around Halloween-themed bar, supporting the horror genre. It is a
standard Series 12, just like TGI Fridays, only instead of the old knick-knacks, it will have Scooby Doo,
Chainsaw Massacre and things like that on the wall. There are 38 different horror-themed rock bands in the
Valley and the desire is to get actors from the horror industry to come and promote the business and their
shows. The use permit was already in existence and it was transferable and is able to be used for entertainment
purposes.
Councilmember Shekerjian asked for the name of the restaurant.
Mr. Havelock responded that it will be “The Haunted Castle.”
Councilmember Shekerjian verified that it won’t be “Drunkenstein’s.”
Mr. Havelock confirmed that it will be “The Haunted Castle.”
Councilmember Shekerjian added that the “blog” stated that, “…city council wouldn’t approve of Drunkenstein’s,
which will be the actual name above the bar.” She asked if they can expect it to be called “The Haunted
Castle”?
Mr. Havelock responded that one of the stipulations for the State is that it couldn’t have that in the license.
Councilmember Shekerjian stated that was one of the beauties of “blog”ging. All things in life have duality. It’s
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great to get the word out, but unfortunately sometimes the word gets to the people you might not have wanted
to have gotten the word.
Vice Mayor Hutson asked for clarification on the name of the building.
Mr. Havelock responded it would be “The Haunted Castle.” The name “Drunkenstein” (rather than
“Frankenstein”) might appear on a small sign in the corner, but there would be many horror-related items like
that.
Mayor Hallman asked the City Attorney for the standards under which the City Council would consider the
granting or denial of a liquor license.
Andrew Ching clarified that the City Council’s vote tonight is advisory and the ultimate decision to grant or not
grant rests with the State Liquor Board. The types of things normally taken into consideration in granting or not
granting would be things such as proximity to other licenses, history of the applicant, negative history with prior
applications, and things of that nature.
Mayor Hallman stated that the staff report is not unusual in a case like this. He asked for any further staff
comments.
There were no other staff comments.
Motion by Councilmember Carter to recommend the approval of Item #31. The motion died for lack of a
second.
Mayor Hallman asked for an alternate motion.

[weener]

Hey big brother. If you're reading this...



























...suck it!

[jomama]

that is truly fucked up.

[hunter]

Shrug, the guy did an unprofessional / stupid thing and now he's paying the consequence for it. Drunkenstein's is not an approrpriate business name, nor is it responsible to promote being drunk. I mean, yeah -- it's kinda funny, but not appropriate. A lot of shit is funny that's not appropriate though.

I mean, I drink and all but I realize that it's not a socially responsible thing to do to brag about it or condone that others do it.

[Tony]

Shrug, the guy did an unprofessional / stupid thing and now he's paying the consequence for it. Drunkenstein's is not an approrpriate business name, nor is it responsible to promote being drunk. I mean, yeah -- it's kinda funny, but not appropriate. A lot of shit is funny that's not appropriate though.

I mean, I drink and all but I realize that it's not a socially responsible thing to do to brag about it or condone that others do it.

i'm too lazy to look up nil's original post and copy it in here to clarify, but i remember it saying something to the effect of them having a sign that said drunkenstein's above the bar area - not like the actual sign outside on the building. or maybe i'm wrong. but i thought it was just something he was talking about inside the bar. so if that's the case, it really seems like a witch hunt.

it's just my 2 cents, but i don't think talking about bar decoration ideas on a bulletin board is unprofessional or should jeopardize one's ability to open a bar. but the lesson, as always, is fuck you for trying. maybe if he opened a christian-themed bar there would be less resistance.

and what if Nil's name was Gary Drunkenstein? couldn't he put it on the sign then?

[raubhimself]

Shrug, the guy did an unprofessional / stupid thing and now he's paying the consequence for it. Drunkenstein's is not an approrpriate business name, nor is it responsible to promote being drunk. I mean, yeah -- it's kinda funny, but not appropriate. A lot of shit is funny that's not appropriate though.

I mean, I drink and all but I realize that it's not a socially responsible thing to do to brag about it or condone that others do it.

i'm too lazy to look up nil's original post and copy it in here to clarify, but i remember it saying something to the effect of them having a sign that said drunkenstein's above the bar area - not like the actual sign outside on the building. or maybe i'm wrong. but i thought it was just something he was talking about inside the bar. so if that's the case, it really seems like a witch hunt.

it's just my 2 cents, but i don't think talking about bar decoration ideas on a bulletin board is unprofessional or should jeopardize one's ability to open a bar. but the lesson, as always, is fuck you for trying. maybe if he opened a christian-themed bar there would be less resistance.

and what if Nil's name was Gary Drunkenstein? couldn't he put it on the sign then?

it's pretty easy just to gloss over something and react pretty harshly to it, so that's very likely what happened. not to mention that most people who are on a city counsel / go to board meetings and stuff are pretty crazy. my mom is involved in all that crap for our town, and it's crazy the stuff they get hung up on sometimes.

they spend hours arguing over a fucking fence once because it was taller than the agreed height!!!

[weener]

Here is the original post. If they're really giving this guy a hard time over the proposed "Drunkenstein's" sign, that sounds like a witch hunt to me. You might as well give the Paper Heart a hard time about that big painting of saggy man-tits that they have near the bar.

[Mary]

that was a man? Oops.