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[unluckycharm]

Jacob was in Mulholland Drive and The Big Lebowski. Time travel is cool.

[differently biotic]

jacob is also the devil's meatsuit in supernatural. very cool.

[fatguyaz]

ya think ALIENS will be involved in the ending?




no, not the mexican kind.

[chadk]

so, why did that lady kill jacob and able's mom? just because? smoke monster origin! yes wasn't sure that last night would top last week but word that was a good episode.

[chalupacabra]

so, why did that lady kill jacob and able's mom? just because? smoke monster origin! yes wasn't sure that last night would top last week but word that was a good episode.

Because she thinks she's supposed to protect the island and saw an opportunity to grab an "heir" and took it.

[chadk]

Because she thinks she's supposed to protect the island and saw an opportunity to grab an "heir" and took it.

really thats it? was kind of bummed on the wheel thing but glad they didn't go to far into that

[chalupacabra]

Because she thinks she's supposed to protect the island and saw an opportunity to grab an "heir" and took it.

really thats it? was kind of bummed on the wheel thing but glad they didn't go to far into that

that's my best guess and at this point we aren't going to get any more back story on them so I'm sticking with it.

[differently biotic]

I LOVED last night's eppy. Wow. And good job Allison Janney!

Good job explaining who the bodies were that they found AND what the smoke monster is. And him being able to see dead people even before all of that. neat. wow.

[Tony]

I LOVED last night's eppy. Wow. And good job Allison Janney!

Good job explaining who the bodies were that they found AND what the smoke monster is. And him being able to see dead people even before all of that. neat. wow.

okay, so...

Spoiler

jacob and man in black are twins. jacob is/was ageless (until ben killed him) and could come and go as he pleased. when jacob put mib into the well he became the smoke monster, and his human body had died. it seems like smokey can only appear in human form IF he takes over a dead body and IF that body died off the island. so he can't just kill somebody and take over. it's not clear whether or not smokey can still look like mib, because i don't think anyone other than jacob has ever seen mib.

so who's going to become the new protector of the island? i say the kwon baby, raised by jack.

[differently biotic]

ok, then by your reasoning, why Locke and not Jack's dad. His body was on the island after he died off island. Why did he need Locke's body now? Why not do of all this w/ Jack's dad's body? And the significance of his dad's shoes? Locke was wearing them when his dead body got back to the island.

and what's up w/ Claire? In season 1 that psychic was going on and on about SHE had to be the one to raise Aaron and nobody else. But that didn't happen? And now that kid is going to be not safe?

this show. argh!

[Tony]

ok, then by your reasoning, why Locke and not Jack's dad. His body was on the island after he died off island. Why did he need Locke's body now? Why not do of all this w/ Jack's dad's body? And the significance of his dad's shoes? Locke was wearing them when his dead body got back to the island.

and what's up w/ Claire? In season 1 that psychic was going on and on about SHE had to be the one to raise Aaron and nobody else. But that didn't happen? And now that kid is going to be not safe?

this show. argh!

well, the only two people we've seen smokey manifest himself as have been christian and locke. if you wanted to get control of a group of people for whatever reason, why not just kill the leader (ben, for example) and pretend to be him? or literally any dead body on that island. i'm sure that would come in handy. but he's specifically taken bodies of people that were brought to the island.

so why locke and not christian shepherd? if i had to guess i'd say it's because more of the people on the island knew locke and would be familiar with him. so if your goal is to take control of the group, locke would probably be a better choice. where as with christian, the only person who knew him was jack. and claire. and they knew he was dead, so maybe that would have been too weird? i don't know. i'm theorizing. and i have no idea about the shoes. i'm guessing that's a loose end that will not be tied up. there's a lot of recurring themes/elements, and the shoes may be one of them.

i forgot about aaron. hmmmm. you know what, i change my bet from before. he's going to be the new protector, and i'm an idiot for not getting my facts straight earlier. i thought kwon was born on the island, but she wasn't. my bad. anyway, maybe if claire raises the baby then he doesn't become burdened with being the islands protector. but if it's raised by another, then maybe he saw that it would be part of the island forever. the parallels between jacob and aaron are pretty significant - pregnant mom arrives on island, baby born on island, raised by another. and if you want to get even deeper, you could further point out that they're both male, both raised by a female with questionable intentions and/or morals who have killed others, both were blond little boys.

but yeah, this show = argh!

also, i guess screw spoiler tags. you shouldn't be reading this thread if you haven't watched the show anyway, right?

[differently biotic]

abel (abel right? I didn't catch that last night) screwed w/ Claire right? Made her dissappear and leave the baby that's why he was taken off island by Kate? right?

if all he needed was a body dead off island then brought back, shit then he could've had anyone on that island do it. I mean it seems pretty simple to manipulate anyone on that damn island when you are the smoke monster that can appear as anyone that is dead.

and it still bothers me what happened to boy Ben. So freaking sad. Like he didn't have enough pain and longing for parental love to end up like that. When he rescued Syiad, he couldn't have befriended him and Ben could have turned out so different!

where did all the children go?!? They made a big deal about the others taking the children that come to the island then what? they vanish or go back to off island?

I really hate loose ends when the story is ending. ugh

[chadk]

so why locke and not christian shepherd?

because viewers have more of a investment with locke, focus group eh?

both raised by a female with questionable intentions and/or morals who have killed others, both were blond little boys.

yea but it was eluded that the lady who raised jacob and smokey favored smokey

[chadk]

where did all the children go?!? They made a big deal about the others taking the children that come to the island then what? they vanish or go back to off island

i think those were the drahma people who could not bare children.

[differently biotic]

I'm hoping that when the dvd comes out for this final season that they will have commentary to answer all the questions left.



on a side note:
Carlton and Damon are a great dynamic in person. Sitting in on their panel last year at comic con was one of the funnest. Hurley, Ben, Sawyer and Charlie were there too. SO neat.