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[JAN HAVELOCK]

I would pray, and I'm not religious, that he would have been given the death penalty had he actually shot and killed someone.

But he didn't, and there is a difference. I don't know Kurt at all, so I can't even consider whether I'd be comfortable writing a letter, but he has served six months for not shooting at anybody already. It was a stupid, pointless, potentially tragic plan, but he didn't follow through on it. I've, uh, had a couple of those myself.

There are plenty of people in the world who are capable of violence and they just haven't shown it yet. If anything, I sometimes feel safer with someone who I already know has been pushed to the limit and learned something from it. Kurt does deserve a chance, based on what we know at this point, to go back to being a productive member of society. He might save your daughter's life someday.

You've mailed terrorist communications to news outlets and other media outlets then bought weapons and went to the Super Bowl intending to kill people, but then essentially pussied out at the last minute? I mean it's a good thing he changed his mind, but at that time, he's already committed a crime. He's being charged with other counts, not murder, and I hope he gets the max sentence.

If at 35, he hasn't been a productive member of society, and has thus far in his life been a failure, odds are, based on his life to this point, it will continue to be the same.

There's no guarantee he'll be fully rehabbed, either.

I would pray, and I'm not religious, that he would have been given the death penalty had he actually shot and killed someone.

But he didn't, and there is a difference. I don't know Kurt at all, so I can't even consider whether I'd be comfortable writing a letter, but he has served six months for not shooting at anybody already. It was a stupid, pointless, potentially tragic plan, but he didn't follow through on it. I've, uh, had a couple of those myself.

There are plenty of people in the world who are capable of violence and they just haven't shown it yet. If anything, I sometimes feel safer with someone who I already know has been pushed to the limit and learned something from it. Kurt does deserve a chance, based on what we know at this point, to go back to being a productive member of society. He might save your daughter's life someday.

good points. i also believe in a 2nd chance but i don't know if the judge will be as lenient.

thank you for responding. Our whole family is praying the judge has a understanding heart and sends Kurt to mandatory counseling and gives him probation. We feel he can heal better in a loving family setting then in the prison population.

Of course you feel that way... you're part of his family. An objective view though, which hopefully will be provided by the judge, will put him in jail for at least a couple years. 2 years with mandatory rehab and a few years probation would be a fair sentence. He'd only end up serving a year at the most though.

http://phoenix.fbi.g...08/ph061208.htm

PHOENIX- A federal jury in Phoenix has found Kurt William Havelock, 36, of Tempe, Ariz. guilty on six counts of Mailing Threatening Communications in connection with an investigation into his threats to injure people in the vicinity of Super Bowl XLII in February 2008. Havelock remains in federal custody and is set to be sentenced in front of U.S. District Judge Roslyn O. Silver on August 25, 2008.

United States Attorney Diane J. Humetewa said after the verdict, “threatening to kill random victims at a mass public event caused thousands of innocent people to fear for their safety. Anyone considering actions like Mr. Havelock took here also should consider that this office will prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. I commend the fine work of federal and local law enforcement agencies, whose efforts on this case ensured the safety of all during the Super Bowl events.”

“The U.S. Postal Inspection Service will continue to partner with fellow law enforcement agencies to bring those to justice who use our nation’s mail system to mail threatening communications," said Pete Zegarac, Phoenix Division Inspector in Charge. “Our participation in this investigation underscores our agency’s commitment to protect the Postal Service and its customers."

John Lewis, Special Agent in Charge, FBI, Phoenix stated that, “In today’s society violent threats against the public will be investigated to the fullest extent of the law. The guilty verdict of Kurt William Havelock shows that these types of threats will not be tolerated. Through the dedicated hard work of our Agents and our law enforcement partners, evidence was provided that resulted in the conviction of Mr. Havelock.”

The charges alleged that Havelock mailed threatening letters to various media outlets including The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, and Phoenix New Times, containing threats to kill people in the vicinity of Super Bowl XLII played in Glendale, Ariz. The threatening letters were mailed from a Post Office in Glendale but were intercepted by law enforcement prior to reaching the intended recipients.

A conviction for Mailing Threatening Communications carries a maximum penalty of five years in federal prison, a $250,000 fine or both. In determining an actual sentence, Judge Silver will consult the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines, which provide appropriate sentencing ranges. The judge, however, is not bound by those guidelines in determining a sentence.

The investigation preceding the indictment was conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the Tempe Police Department. The prosecution is being handled by Michael T. Morrissey, Assistant U.S. Attorney, District of Arizona, Phoenix.

I'm going to write the Judge, JA, and prosecutor and make sure they know how I feel about the case.

I'm actually kind of scared Kurt will read the threads and especially the one he made about the original Drunkenstein's then come kill me.

Anyhow, this is my last post in this thread. I told Donald I'd lay off. I'm not trying to be antagonistic or mean in this post, just honest.

Bye.

FYI, this is going to be my last post on "this thread" as well. I never heard of The Shizz before Kurt told me he loves the music world and he felt he had many friends that would stand up for him and email a character letter to the public defender on his behalf. I really don't have the heart to tell him, when he calls collect from prison, that only 2 of his friends have spoken up on his behalf. Only people like you, who don't even know Kurt, are going to write a letter against him. Good Bye To The Shizz. Let this be a lesson to everyone out there. I guess you really don't know who your true friends are until your life is on the line, and then it's too late.

[weener]

FYI, this is going to be my last post on "this thread" as well. I never heard of The Shizz before Kurt told me he loves the music world and he felt he had many friends that would stand up for him and email a character letter to the public defender on his behalf. I really don't have the heart to tell him, when he calls collect from prison, that only 2 of his friends have spoken up on his behalf. Only people like you, who don't even know Kurt, are going to write a letter against him. Good Bye To The Shizz. Let this be a lesson to everyone out there. I guess you really don't know who your true friends are until your life is on the line, and then it's too late.

Hey, we're not all complete douchebags. I've never met Kurt in real life but as soon as I think of something appropriate to say, I'm writing a message on his behalf too.


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[JAN HAVELOCK]

FYI, this is going to be my last post on "this thread" as well. I never heard of The Shizz before Kurt told me he loves the music world and he felt he had many friends that would stand up for him and email a character letter to the public defender on his behalf. I really don't have the heart to tell him, when he calls collect from prison, that only 2 of his friends have spoken up on his behalf. Only people like you, who don't even know Kurt, are going to write a letter against him. Good Bye To The Shizz. Let this be a lesson to everyone out there. I guess you really don't know who your true friends are until your life is on the line, and then it's too late.

Hey, we're not all complete douchebags. I've never met Kurt in real life but as soon as I think of something appropriate to say, I'm writing a message on his behalf too.


EDIT: SENT.

thank you, please hurry his sentencing is on August 25th and the public defender has to get the letter you email handed to the judge before that day. I said I wasn't going to post anymore on this sight, however, you have renewed my faith. I was afraid to say anymore on this sight after the threat was made to write a bad letter against my only son. He doesn't need anymore people against him. Again thank you for having the courage to step forward. Be careful you will probably get a bad email from you know who now.

[jomama]

just to be fair, even though Hunter is being pretty mean about this, he doesn't represent everyone. On the flipside, Kurt wasn't best friends with people on this board. Most people did not know him as anything more then another person who posts on this board. I am not writing a letter not because I don't empathize but because I don't know what to say. I don't think I really payed attention to any of his posts until he lost his liquor license. Please don't make it sound like we were all best friends with him and now we are turning our backs on him. Nobody knew him well enough to say anything about him. I didn't even know what he looked like until I saw his picture on the news.

I guess I will be a lemming and say this is my last post on this thread as well. I do feel bad for him, and have him in my prayers.

[JAN HAVELOCK]

just to be fair, even though Hunter is being pretty mean about this, he doesn't represent everyone. On the flipside, Kurt wasn't best friends with people on this board. Most people did not know him as anything more then another person who posts on this board. I am not writing a letter not because I don't empathize but because I don't know what to say. I don't think I really payed attention to any of his posts until he lost his liquor license. Please don't make it sound like we were all best friends with him and now we are turning our backs on him. Nobody knew him well enough to say anything about him. I didn't even know what he looked like until I saw his picture on the news.

I guess I will be a lemming and say this is my last post on this thread as well. I do feel bad for him, and have him in my prayers.

Thank you for your honesty. Kurt wrote me from prison and gave me this sight information. He asked me to post a plea to the music community. He felt he had friends on this sight that would help him, but you state nobody knew him well enough to say anything about him. Apparently, he was mistaken. I'm sorry . I guess I have done all I can do.

[ShawnPhase]

you can always pray more and keep your faith high, which was what i wanted to bring to the story and situation as it has unfolded. its unfortunate i didnt become closer friends with kurt than i could have before all of this happened, but that doesnt rule out opening up the future to the hope that it can bring, regardless of anything that may happen in his sentencing. i am very grateful that the things in his life happened exactly as they happened, if they didnt then the circumstances might not have happened with the positive side of it that he did not follow through. i am hoping for the best, and i pray that you as his family, the closest of the close, will be able to do the same during this seemingly drastic time.

[JAN HAVELOCK]

you can always pray more and keep your faith high, which was what i wanted to bring to the story and situation as it has unfolded. its unfortunate i didnt become closer friends with kurt than i could have before all of this happened, but that doesnt rule out opening up the future to the hope that it can bring, regardless of anything that may happen in his sentencing. i am very grateful that the things in his life happened exactly as they happened, if they didnt then the circumstances might not have happened with the positive side of it that he did not follow through. i am hoping for the best, and i pray that you as his family, the closest of the close, will be able to do the same during this seemingly drastic time.

thank you it seems like prayer is all we have left.

[nnav2311]

Generally homophobes are closet gays.

Generally the first one who smelt it dealt it.

Generally someone who is the first one to want a death sentence has his own skeletons he is trying to hide.

Generally speaking of course

hahahah...I second that.....Im sure that Hunter does have his own issues that he needs to deal with

[fatguyaz]

ooh, i'm glad to see this pot hasn't settled too much. Lets stir up some shit! Awesome. Good feelings. Hey you... yeah, you... fuck you. Nice.

[donald]

ooh, i'm glad to see this pot hasn't settled too much. Lets stir up some shit! Awesome. Good feelings. Hey you... yeah, you... fuck you. Nice.

Don't become Hunter jr.


-a friendly reminder from your local shizz admin

[The Real Jeffrey Lebowski]

Update for those following along at home

A U.S. District Court judge Monday postponed the sentencing of a Tempe man convicted in June of writing letters to media to threaten an attack at this year's Super Bowl XLII in Glendale.

Judge Roslyn Silver said Monday she will not sentence him until Sept. 15 at the earliest, after she reviews the man's pending psychiatric evaluation.

[fatguyaz]

i wasn't saying fuck you to anyone... I forgot the quotes. It was an example of the dumb shit that keeps goin on with this subject.



PS> Hey Donald. Fuck you.

[guitarduane]

ooh, i'm glad to see this pot hasn't settled too much.

perhaps pot could settle this once and for all.

[Jacki O.]

the more pot the merrier, i always say.

[Quezo]

"You see man, you put the pot, in the pot! And then you, you stir it around, and then. Um. Hey! Family Guy is on!"