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#46 chadk

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 10:12 AM

The 'scene' conversation is always very interesting to me....

Some people are nice, but have lame bands, some people are jerks and have good bands.

So, do you support the nice people, or the good bands?

Does one want a scene of nice people or of good bands?

Now, obviously, there is a lot of grey area there..

A lot of locals that I respect DON'T really associate themselves with a scene...or at least I am not privvy to knowing their scene.

On the downside, scenes can become an overprotective bubble, and not be inclusive of good bands, because someone doesn't like someone.

There are actually a few, somewhat like-minded, bands in this town, who could very much benefit by playing together, but can't, or won't, because of personal issues.

That doesn't strengthen a "music" scene, maybe it strengthens a clique, but not a "music" scene...and I suppose that's the issue with a scene, is the fact that as much as it purports to be about INclusion in theory, it ends being about exclusion in practice.

Perhaps scenes are about music, and cliques are about personalities, I dunno.

Or maybe it's a scene when you're in it, and a clique when you're not.


Chad?


i don't really care enough about this topic as maybe i would have 10 years ago.

respect is earned, there are different levels, reasons for respect, why or why you should not respect.

if you don't like a band don't watch them or watch them it's up to you

don't assume too much

be nice to people, treat them the way you would like to be treated

unity? thats cool, i like the idea of people supporting people, but not to the point of excluding, (our scence is better then your scence)

don't heckle people unless it's in jest and you and that person have that understanding

i don't know.....................
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Posted 08 September 2009 - 10:47 AM

its all semantics when it comes to a definition of a "scene" maybe this is where the disagreement comes in about the "unity" vs. "clique" concept.

on that note...

fatigo offers you their protection...from all the scensters and hiptsers hoping to bring you down or put you in a "scene"
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#48 JJames

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 10:57 AM

Its not your responsibility to promote the band but it IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO GIVE THEM A DEGREE OF RESPECT.

It's not my responsibility to give every band I come across any degree of respect. It is their job to earn it. I'm not going to DISRESPECT a band out of nowhere, but I dont think leaving a show early is any sign of disrespect. If you think it is, then you're being too insecure about your band. I once left a show right after I played because my girlfriend was locked out of our house and didnt have a key. As I was packing up, a certain elder of the "hardcore scene" made a point to scream and yell at us (me and the other person leaving with me), because we weren't "sticking around to support the touring band". When I explained that I had to let my girlfriend into our house, she refused to believe me, and proceded to yell in my face until I got in the car and left. So stupid.

Thats not really what i meant by respect. I'm not saying that you stay and watch them and hang around with them and tell them how awesome they are even though the blow a fat load of suck on my face. Im saying that despite how much they may suck, you should still be polite. you dont have to stay, just dont be a dickhole to them. I'm guilty of being a dick to a band or two a few years back and i feel bad about it. The point is that we all want respect and we want others to not be assholes


If we are all divided and filled with spite, loathing, or any ill-will we will NEVER achieve what we could if we respected each other or worked together


Not sure where this idea has come about that not supporting bands you dont like is the equivalent of being filled with "spite, loathing and ill-will". I didnt say any of that. I definitely support the idea of people encouraging each other, working together or collaborating with other artists you respect or enjoy. However, I don't think this constitutes a "scene". A scene implies a group of people supportive of anything and everything else another "member of the scene" does. now, maybe this isnt the working definition, but any "scene" i've ever witnessed has these unspoken rules. If someone within the scene speaks out about something he doesnt like that is going on within the community, almost all the time he is "shunned", harassed or even assaulted. This is the idea of a scene that I am against. Not simply collaborating with people you respect.



Once again thats not really what i meant. I was talking about how if someone is a dick to a band then they are dicks back. and then each side spreads how much they hate that band and then all of the sudden everyone hates each other. Music is not a competitive sport, so why be competitive?
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Posted 08 September 2009 - 11:03 AM

Like Chad, I cared way more about all of this 10 years ago...I think when you start crossing into your 30s using words like "scene" feel weird ..

I agree with earning your audience and I don't hold it against anybody that leaves our shows early...I think music is like food .. ...everyone's taste is different and no one should have to explain why they don't like something or feel obligated to watch a band.


I don't go to shows as much as I used to ,but I've been trying to get out more lately. We have some great bands here in Az! The music I'm hearing around here lately is way better (my opinion) than most of the stuff that was popular when I moved here in 97...pats on the back all around...group hug?
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#50 chadk

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 11:12 AM

we should make a tv show called 30 something. it could deal with house buying and having kids and growing out of things and stuff we still hold on dearly to from our youth. i can see at least 2 seasons.
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All the time when I tell people what I do they say, "Oh I don't understand art, I can't even draw." (or worse, "I only like art I can understand.") Well, ya know what, I don't know how to make a car, but I sure appreciate being able to drive one.

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 11:12 AM

all semantics i guess but i feel like there is a music community and then there are scenes.

music communities- just like any community. ambivalent but supportive

scene- PUNX! HxC! SKA! HIPSTERS Techno! Disco? Indie.
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NOW PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT FOREVER AND HATE ANYONE DIFFERENT
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Posted 08 September 2009 - 11:14 AM

we should make a tv show called 30 something. it could deal with house buying and having kids and growing out of things and stuff we still hold on dearly to from our youth. i can see at least 2 seasons.


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#53 MikeyWretch

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 11:23 AM

I will not add to this thread.


FUCK!


I just did!



I like french fries in my burritos!
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#54 JJames

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 11:28 AM

I like french fries in my burritos!

As do I. Its like the perfect shape for a burrito somehow.

i put my hot carrots in the burrito
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Posted 08 September 2009 - 11:35 AM

I like french fries in my burritos!

As do I. Its like the perfect shape for a burrito somehow.

i put my hot carrots in the burrito



Los Betos use french fries instead of potato wedges in the breakfast burrito, but they won't let me order just fries. Dumb.

I am a full fledged supporter of the burrito scene here in PHX, there is alot of talent and potential to get behind.
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Posted 08 September 2009 - 11:38 AM

Tortillas are awesome plates that you can just roll up your food in and Nom it!
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Posted 08 September 2009 - 11:41 AM

I like french fries in my burritos!

As do I. Its like the perfect shape for a burrito somehow.

i put my hot carrots in the burrito



Los Betos use french fries instead of potato wedges in the breakfast burrito, but they won't let me order just fries. Dumb.

I am a full fledged supporter of the burrito scene here in PHX, there is alot of talent and potential to get behind.

Dont you mean Burrito community?

but yeah betos used to sell fries, now i go to whataburger next door for some frizzles

Tortillas are awesome plates that you can just roll up your food in and Nom it!

NOM NOM NOM
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Posted 08 September 2009 - 12:39 PM

uh.....so can fatigo play Jugheads?


Sure.
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Posted 08 September 2009 - 12:43 PM

its all semantics when it comes to a definition of a "scene" maybe this is where the disagreement comes in about the "unity" vs. "clique" concept.

on that note...

fatigo offers you their protection...from all the scensters and hiptsers hoping to bring you down or put you in a "scene"
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*signs up for protection*

vote for fatigo
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Posted 10 September 2009 - 10:55 AM

The only things I have to say on this thread is (1) that when I booked shows in CT, we mish mashed genres all the time, it was the norm, and everyone dug it. (2) I fuckin' hate it when you only see certain people who are in certain bands only attend shows they are playing. How do you expect people to support your band when you support no others. (3) Potatos of any kind are great in any tortilla....
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