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Posted 29 December 2003 - 01:51 PM

GiantNine totally hit the preverbial nail on the head with that post. I have seen so many bands show up right before they are supposed to go on, do their half hour or forty minute set, then leave. If you're on the bill, and maybe this is just me, but if you're on the bill with other bands, you show up for the first band and you STAY until the last band finishes. I mean, that's just musicians etiquette right there. When you are on stage you give a shout out to the bands that also played with you that night. How hard is that? At this level of the game to bring in a rock star ego is absolutely laughable. i will never understand that about some local bands.

Great post to Josh as well.


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#92 aaronburke

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 02:07 PM

i'm sorry but i think this is
the wrong thing to concentrate
on...often musicians have other
commitments to keep...i don't
know any musicians who play
and leave simply because they don't want
to support, usually it's because
they have somewhere to be.
i try to stay as much as i can
but sometimes i can't do it.
also, if people don't like a band, they
may not watch them. that
doesn't mean they don't support
the scene, but you can't honestly
think that forcing people to watch
bands they don't like is building
a better scene...it's not.
i never disrespect a fellow musician
for having to leave a show early,
or showing up late. sure, i pay more
attention to those that do show up
earlier or stay later, but i wouldn't
insult those that don't. they are
in bands that are PLAYING SHOWS.

anyways, the point of this
(i think) should be to concentrate
on bringing and keeping new people
out to shows, and if at all possible
to gather more support from the
people who already go.
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#93 vitaminardi

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Posted 29 December 2003 - 02:54 PM

when your band opens, people show up late so they can miss your band.

the headliner, is on the last leg of their tour and is more interested in getting loaded in their van than watching a local band.

the soundguy who isn't a real time management whiz tells you in between songs to "hurry up"

The promoter comes up to you after you play: hey there are 150 people who payed-- we might be able to give you 20 bucks-- cool?

If I decide to leave, because of this, and because i have to wake up to go to my day job that pays rent.....Its not because of my "rock-star attitude" that's for sure. ;)
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Posted 29 December 2003 - 04:39 PM

yea, having to work early is a big thing for me.

i guess i should just teach night school

and whens the light rail going to be done?
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Posted 29 December 2003 - 04:48 PM

i got a thing in the mail on that because i live on central. i think it would totaly be done in 2006 or maybe 08 or maybe it was 2012? i'll have to check when i get home. i know its an even number...

that didn't help at all
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Posted 29 December 2003 - 10:31 PM

just a lil clarification - I don't want to come off wrong :)

I understand commitments. I understand responsibilities. I have to pay my rent every 1st as well.

What I was trying to get across was that you at least need to have an aura of cohesion among the musicians. If that means that you hang out to listen to a not-so-great band, then so be it. If you're the only guy in the audience cheering for your opener, so be it.

How can you expect the public to be excited if they see the bands can't even give each other the basic respect, or even (semi)professional courtesy they deserve?

A local scene is not the place for egos, or for pretension. Everyone should be willing to give of themselves. Music requires small sacrifices now and then. Sometimes big ones, too. And I know everyone here KNOWS what they will give and what they won't both to their music and to their scene.
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Posted 30 December 2003 - 10:32 AM

How can you expect the public to be excited if they see the bands can't even give each other the basic respect, or even (semi)professional courtesy they deserve?


I would like to think that all bands could show each other respect and courtesy in a perfect world, but, again, i think you're projecting somewhat unrealistic ideals on musicians. rehearsing, buying eqipment, paying for recordings and CDS is a lot of work. a majority of local bands can never make enough money playing local shows alone to even cover the costs of buying a couple of distortion pedals.

I'm not pissed or trying to argue here; I'd like someone to explain the "blame the musicians" rhetoric that seems so prevalent on this board.
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Posted 30 December 2003 - 11:27 AM

I don't think it's too much to ask for bands to stick around to watch others or show up early to see openers when you're playing. The reason that there are sometimes up to four bands on a bill is to fill the seats. Lord knows that at some shows the musicians in the other bands end up being a large percentage of seats filled. Amen to the one who said something about telling friends about the openers instead of saying that they should show up at 11:00 when your band goes on. I have been guilty of that in the past too. One of the reasons I've been playing live music for as long as I have is because of you people. I love to see you at shows. I don't think I'd see you much otherwise. I hope you'll forgive me for not coming to see your band once a week but when we play together, I will cheer for you and sometimes dance to your music(you know who you are). We are all brothers and sisters and we have a lot to talk and get drunk about.
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Posted 30 December 2003 - 11:38 AM

no doubt, no doubt, and hear hear.
but i'm just saying this is the wrong
thing to concentrate on - as far as
watching other bands and going out
to others' shows etc - the shizz is
the choir and doesn't really need
to be preached to.
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Posted 30 December 2003 - 11:51 AM

Agreed. I am with you (see other posts). I just wanted to say, I Love You.
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Posted 30 December 2003 - 11:52 AM

Totally-- i agree. I love seeing my band-peeps at shows.

I also like seeing my band friends play shows. Going to shows and seeing bands here is a social event for me.

I just think its funny how people say, bands "should behave like this." On stage and off-stage. I guess being in a band, I'm not always aware of the persona that non-band people project on bands.
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Posted 30 December 2003 - 11:54 AM

I LOVE YOU ALL. ESPECIALLY YOU, BOBBY.

as far as projection goes,
unfortunately i find it comes
equally from band and nonband
folks...if not more from band folks.
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Posted 30 December 2003 - 11:58 AM

Bobby should be our shizz mascot :)

I love you all too.


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Posted 30 December 2003 - 03:44 PM

the best part of all of this is the love all around - this could have degenerated into a blamefest, but it didn't. kinda makes one think something could happen. :)
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Posted 30 December 2003 - 04:58 PM

yea, having to work early is a big thing for me.

i guess i should just teach night school

and whens the light rail going to be done?

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Approved Schedule

On October 30, 2002 the Valley Metro Rail Board adopted an official schedule for the 20-mile light rail starter segment, which includes groundbreaking in early 2004 and a phased opening beginning in late 2006 and ending in summer 2007.

The first phase, from Phoenix Central Station (Central Ave./Van Buren St.) to the Tempe Transit Center (5th Street/College), is scheduled to open before the end of 2006.

The second phase, from Central Station to 19th Avenue and Montebello, is scheduled to open in April 2007.

The final phase, from the Tempe Transit Center to the end of line station in Mesa, is scheduled to open in August 2007.
There will be a short testing phase before each of the light rail sections opens to the public.
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