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[billy]

[Jacki O.]

noam chomsky on sb1070

[Wizwars]

When I was coming back home via Greyhound yesterday, after stopping off at Blythe, the border patrol boarded our bus to verify the citizenship of everyone on board. At first I thought that it was because we had just entered the CA border, but then I remembered the last time I took a bus to Phoenix (back in January), the same thing happened at San Bernardino, Indio and Blythe. Three stops in a row, border patrol came on and asked about everyone's citizenship. Checking the white people was simple enough, usually just a simple "American citizens, right?". Once they got the answer they were looking for, they moved on. With the Mexicans, there was a bit more questioning and I saw a number of people showing them their green cards, identification and (in some instances) passports.

I assume this happens somewhat regularly on Greyhound, considering that I've experienced it on two of the six bus trips I've made since December. Considering the amount of public backlash there has been about the bill in Arizona, it's interesting to me that this kind of shit happening in California seems to completely slip under the radar. It seems to me that people minding their own business (on what is probably the most inconvenient and uncomfortable way to travel) having to provide identification three times within three hours is pretty fucked up, maybe even more so than a law which if used properly would only target those who are already breaking the law or suspicious to the police (though anyone who doesn't think racial profiling would come from this is a fucking idiot).

[Tony]

When I was coming back home via Greyhound yesterday, after stopping off at Blythe, the border patrol boarded our bus to verify the citizenship of everyone on board. At first I thought that it was because we had just entered the CA border, but then I remembered the last time I took a bus to Phoenix (back in January), the same thing happened at San Bernardino, Indio and Blythe. Three stops in a row, border patrol came on and asked about everyone's citizenship. Checking the white people was simple enough, usually just a simple "American citizens, right?". Once they got the answer they were looking for, they moved on. With the Mexicans, there was a bit more questioning and I saw a number of people showing them their green cards, identification and (in some instances) passports.

I assume this happens somewhat regularly on Greyhound, considering that I've experienced it on two of the six bus trips I've made since December. Considering the amount of public backlash there has been about the bill in Arizona, it's interesting to me that this kind of shit happening in California seems to completely slip under the radar. It seems to me that people minding their own business (on what is probably the most inconvenient and uncomfortable way to travel) having to provide identification three times within three hours is pretty fucked up, maybe even more so than a law which if used properly would only target those who are already breaking the law or suspicious to the police (though anyone who doesn't think racial profiling would come from this is a fucking idiot).

i don't think that sort of thing gets mentioned precisely because it's border patrol. that's a federal agency, and their sole purpose is immigration enforcement. they may or may not use tactics that we approve of (racial profiling) but at the same time that's the ONLY thing they're trained/funded/authorized to do (well, i realize they also have other legal authority when it comes to drug smuggling, etc, but it's still under the border enforcement agenda). part of the outcry over the AZ law is that they are shifting some of the border patrol responsibilities on the local cops who DON'T have the training/funding to do what's being required - never mind the civil rights/racial discrimination arguments.

[venven]

[media]

noam chomsky on sb1070

genius.

[Zoast]

My thinking is that if you want to fix illegal immigration you really need to go after those who employ them. Make the penalties harsh and business ending. I don't know... I can see how enforcement would be difficult, but clearly it's a problem already.

Light punishment for people acting on a motivation such as "trying to feed a family / make their life comfortable" is never going to have an effect. And harsh punishment for it would obviously be very twisted.

I don't think people should get a free ride on taxes either, though... (even if I disagree with the way much of it is spent)

[chadk]

My thinking is that if you want to fix illegal immigration you really need to go after those who employ them. Make the penalties harsh and business ending. I don't know... I can see how enforcement would be difficult, but clearly it's a problem already.

my thinking is go after the root of the problem. the coyotes and drug runners.

[donald]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBfHD2n13OA&feature=player_embedded#!

noam chomsky on sb1070

WOW, I was only able to watch the first half of this last night. I will hopefully watch the rest tonight after work.


It makes soooooo much fucking sense the way he describes it.

Maybe what he is saying is complete B.S. it's all just his word, and plenty of it would need to be looked up, but damn is it convincing.

[sonofpatter]

Otherwise known by the old Bush Administration as "The Instructional Manual"

[unluckycharm]

Obama sending 1200 national guard to border.


I need to finish watching that Chomsky clip.

[Syeed]

I don't know if it's entirely related to the bill but in two traffic stops last night, 19 illegal immigrants were arrested.

I'm still very torn and I don't know what to think. In regards to the bill, I don't support racial profiling. But people coming into the country illegally isn't something I'm okay with either. I guess those traffic stops were a good thing since they were pulled over for stop you would actually pull people over for, but it really makes me think about the whole thing in earnest.

[The Real Jeffrey Lebowski]

Found via The Rachel Maddow Show flickr photostream...



Sigh...

[Jacki O.]

Alto Arizona and other immigration reform groups have put together a National Day of Action tomorrow, May 29th, that features marches around the country, and a very special march in phoenix in response to sb1070 and other legislature. there will be lots of people in phx from out of town to march on the capital against sb1070 and urge immigration reform

yamobethere, gonna be fun and important




today, May 28th:
Alto Arizona Festival: Join us for a Festival of Human Rights - Friday, May 28, in Phoenix, AZ (the day before National Day of Action).

Location: El Portal, 2nd Ave & Grant, Phoenix, AZ
Time: 6pm - 12am/All Ages, $5 donation
Details: Live Music, Art Show, Film Festival, Live Poster Printing, Cultural Marketplace.




Saturday May 29th:
What: NDLON and Puente call on all people of conscience across the country to converge on Arizona on May 29. Together we will march to Stop the Hate and demand that Obama issue an executive order nullifying SB1070. STOP THE HATE!!!

Let Us Show The World That We Won’t Stand For Hateful Laws And Attacks On Immigrants And People Of Color.

Background: The passage of SB 1070 by Governor Brewer sparked national outrage catalyzing a movement for immigrant rights and lending a sense of urgency to stop the hate and terrorizing of immigrants and people of color in Arizona and across the nation. Puente (a human rights movement anchored in Phoenix) and NDLON (National Day Laborers Organizing Network) is calling for all people of conscience to converge on Arizona to Stop the hate on May 29th and demand President Obama take action to nullify this hateful law.

Demands:

We urge President Obama to:

1. Reassert the federal government's exclusive control over immigration law by making clear that state and local police do not have the inherent authority to enforce immigration law.
2. Immediately suspend and terminate all police-ICE partnerships, including 287(g) agreements and the so-called 'Secure Communities Initiative."
3. Direct the Department of Homeland Security to refuse to take custody of anyone charged with violating provisions of SB 1070.

Schedule of Events:

Friday, May 28th, Human Rights Festival at 8pm: music and art making for march.

Saturday, May 29th, Human Rights March, 8am gathering time: 5 mile long march converging at State Capitol. There will be live music at the beginning and end of march. Delegations from throughout the country and tens of thousands expected from the state. Local and national faith, human, civil, and labor leader speakers.

march route:

[jeremx]

damn.. now that's a march.

[donald]

I heard they are expecting 50k of people, and for the pro 1070 demonstration, they are expecting 10k.