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[Hooray For Everything]

I get kinda sick of people bagging an his speech, it's funny, a bit, but some really bright people just mixed words up....I'm not defending Bush, I'm defending his funny talkin'.......


and let's remember, the world is fucked up, because people are fucked up....

[mothrock]

I hate Rich White People!

...uh, shit. Are there any other choices?

HAHAHA

no


HAHAHA

no.

[chadk]

this debate made me think back to the nixon kennedy debate, not that i was born, but what i had learn-ed form school

people watching the debate thought kennedy won hands down, as he was calm collect and had stage presence

nixon on the other hand was sweating all over the place and looked shifty

people listening to the debate on the radio felt nixon won the debate, as his answers were more concise and stonger.

I think that it was the first debate to be broadcast on live tv, I may be wrong

do you think that listening rather then viewing these current debates would make a difference in your opinion, well knowing that most poeple here, it won't but what about other undecided folk out there in the heart land?

[mikemfer]

I think the real issue is that very few people actually change their minds based on the debates. Can you imagine someone posting on here that they were in favor of Kerry or a third party candidate, but after the debate they had decided to go with Bush? This election is really only about one thing, war in the Middle East. Do you approve of how Bush has handled it or not? The people who believe in Bush are just as appalled at the people who don't as the people (like most of us on this board) who think that Bush is a lying fundamentalist half-wit who makes a complete travesty of our country and the office he holds. They're busy listening to country singers saying "That not a rag, it's a flag, and we don't wear it on our heads", believeing that to support the troops you must support the war, and going to church.

I know the idea is that the debates are a big swing in the decision making process, but I think even most people who call themselves undecided tend to lean one way or the other, and will find evidence that supports their view and ignore evidence that doesn't. Just look at the media's reaction versus the reactions to the debate on this board.

[SomethingElse]

actually, believe it or not, around 19% of the polled undecided voters say that they could change their minds at this point (???) and 69% of these people say these debates could cinch it for them.

[unluckycharm]

lots of people vote for the best looking, most charismatic 'candidate', so where does that leave us?

[Colin]

actually, believe it or not, around 19% of the polled undecided voters say that they could change their minds at this point (???) and 69% of these people say these debates could cinch it for them.

Does anyone know these people? I always hear this, but I don't think I've ever met one. I seem to only meet the people Mike is talking about and people that just don't care or get really uncomfortable even discussing the issue at all.

[chadk]

yea everybody i know is voting one way or the other.

and whats more is that in my hood, we have all these lawn advertisments, and i keep thinking, will these actually sway people, do people actually think it will sway people.

then you have the feuding neighbors who are trying to out do each other with how many signs they can put up. arggh

enough already

[SomethingElse]

yard signs don't vote

[raubhimself]

My mom put up a Bush '04 sign.... I either need to steal it or put a Kerry sign in front of it.
My dad, however, has a nice Kerry sign in his lawn.

[chadk]

[mikemfer]

actually, believe it or not, around 19% of the polled undecided voters say that they could change their minds at this point  (???) and 69% of these people say these debates could cinch it for them.

So in other words, reading that statement and doing the math:

First, that only refers to "undecided" voters, which looking at the polls tends to be about 4% of all voters.

So 19% of 4%, or about 0.8% of voters say the debates could outright 'change their minds'.

But wait a minute, if they are undecided, then how exactly would they change their minds? Obviously they are leaning in one direction or the other anyway, like I speculated above.

69% of the 4% say the debates could clinch it for them. Again, they are leaning one way or the other anyway. So about 3% of the voting public are looking for the debates to reaffirm views they already suspect they have.

What that means to me is that out of every 500 voters, 4 might actually change their positions because of the debates. Wow.

and whats more is that in my hood, we have all these lawn advertisments, and i keep thinking, will these actually sway people, do people actually think it will sway people.

I live near Kyrene and Guadalupe and on the SW corner there is a big vacant lot, big enough for a shopping center with a grocery store or whatever, but it's just a dirt lot. There is a Circle K on that corner and I can walk there in about 3 minutes. Needless to say I've walked there a time or two. Around this time of year every idiot candidate posts their signs, and they're all the same. First name in tiny letters. Last name in big letters. Red, white, and blue color scheme. No indication of the candidate's position on anything. Then there are signs like "Yes on 400". It's like, thanks for telling me what proposition 400 is by the way. Anyway, I think they are really unsightly, and like Chad says, do they really think those signs will change my mind? The notion insults me that they think by putting some goofy-looking middle-aged bozo on a sign with an American flag shirt on they are going to influence me.

I don't think those signs do shit other than pollute the landscape. I use to fantasize about forming an environmental group that would go around and collect political signs and throw them in the trash. After all, what's the difference between a burrito wrapper and a political sign? Both are a scrap of paper sitting in a vacant lot if you ask me. So anyway, I was thinking I could get a group of people together to "clean up Tempe". And you know what I found out? It's actually illegal to take those signs down. Weird.

[mikemfer]

giving the weathiest 1% of Americans a massive tax cut when you're a part of the weathiest 1%

Please explain to me how the tax cut disproportionally favored the rich. I know they got more money back. They were paying more money in, too, and they still do.

Let's see the math brutha.