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[/Mr DNA/]

It's selfish to vote for someone just so you can
feel better about yourself.  If I vote want to vote
for someone who has the closest views to myself,
I'd write in my own name.

if you dont understand how a representative government is supposed to work, or perhaps if you are just looking 'outside of the box' as they say, maybe you should start a new thread.

[rudolpho of pensacola]

FUCK

[/Mr DNA/]

1. Why wouldn't they?  That's just not very smart,
they should be voting for the candidate who will
be best for them.  If they say there's no difference,
they need to do more research.  That's just as
bad as people saying that their vote doesn't count.

Mein Klemme:

1. the electoral college system allows for a presidential candidate to win an election without receiving the majority of the popular vote

2. in our current system if i vote for a candidate for any particular office who loses, whether they received .1%, 5%, 15%, up to 49% of the popular vote i get no representation from my government.

3. in regard of 1. and 2. i do not believe our current system is a legitimate one.

4. i know the candidate i support has no chance of winning the election.

5. do i vote? do i participate in, and thus support, a system i believe to be illegitimate?

5a. the candidate i support and my vote for them could have the reaching effect of forcing awareness of issues important to me and not otherwise discussed. i risk hypocracy, i have no representation, and i am unhappy with the state of affairs.

5b. having no representation i often complain about the government, its actions, and the system that gave it power. by not voting (out of principle, not laziness) i legitimize my complaints. i am not a hypocrite, i have no representation, and i am unhappy with the state of affairs.

5c. if i vote for a candidate i do not support in order to remove another candidate: i am a hypocrite, i have no representation, and i am unhappy with the state of affairs.

[/Mr DNA/]

5c. is not an option for me and is not part of my dilemma. it was added in reference to the current debate.

my dilemma is between 5a. and 5b. this dilemma is only related to whether i vote or not, and admittedly has little outward effect. real change wont come thru an election. at least not thru an election alone.

i would like to see radical shift in the power structure from the rich and their corporations to the people who created the riches. i would like to see NAFTA, GATT, and the Bretton Woods Agreement Act repealed. i would like to see CAFTA fail. i would like to see socialized medicine. i would like either to see u.s. troops much more hesitantly deployed around the world or to see u.s./coalition troops become the police of the world and deploy whenever there is need NOT opportunity. i would like someone in power to acknowledge that the economy CANNOT grow forever. i would like to see the environment preserved. and so on.

[rudolpho of pensacola]

hahahahahahahah
i'm not laughing at the people who wanted to vote for nader(well, maybe a little)
but that is fucking funny
this entire thread was pointless
HAHAHAHAHAHA

[aaronburke]

yeah, except not everyone on here
lives in arizona, so...not pointless
at all. plus since when has debate
or conversation ever been pointless?

[rudolpho of pensacola]

PS
it is bullshit that he is not aloud to be on the ballot
and that is coming from someone who refuses to vote for him
maybe more people should practice objectivity on this board¿

[aaronburke]

well, if all the things that are in that
article are true, then he shouldn't be
on the ballot...

[mothrock]

you can always do a write-in, no?