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[Thugletta]

[QUOTE]that's about it. i feel like i'm too old to play the 'i'll go see your band if you come see mine' game.

however i think you're on to a good thing; scene unity is a tuly kewl idea and when it works it's beautiful. one thing i noticed when i went to club congress' 20th anniversary was how almost all the musicians (20 years on) knew each other and were happy to hang together....a really neat community vibe. it feels like phx is a little different, probably because it's so huge and people leave as fast as they blow into town. :shrug:

I don't know too many folks who play the "I'll go see your band if you come see mine" anymore either. it's too silly. but there's something to be said for friends supporting each other. it's karma and love and flowers out the butt. it's just like the rest of life, if someone repeatedly ignores your phone calls you stop calling them. and you expect them to do the same in the reverse situation. if you skip someone's birthday party three years in a row, don't expect that they'll be keeping in touch. people are busy with family, work, artistic pursuits, panhandling etc. so you can't get bent out of shape when you don't always have a big draw especially in phoenix. and small draws are underrated. they are often more attentive and the show is more intimate. and the grass is always greener tucson thing... the geographical thing is a strike against phoenix especially with high gas prices. it's cool when you can park or walk to a show and go see multiple shows within walking distance of each other. i think grand is going in this direction right now. that's what i am loving about central phoenix right now.
i've been at shows in flag where i was just in awe of the number of people (and yes mostly students and hipsters) who were just venue-hopping, enthusiastically giving a LOT of support for bands both local and out-of-town. but you didn't have to drive from venue to venue really. but then i've known folks from smaller towns who think phoenix is just this big cool rockstar place to play. snort if you will.

[Hooray For Everything]

I don't know what I think of all this... except to say, the world DOES owe me. Fuckers.

awwwwwwwwwww....does someone need a hug?

does someone need a monkey pile?

MONKEY PILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i do need a monkey pile...

where's the lube?

[unluckycharm]

the flowers coming out of my butt are wilting

[Hooray For Everything]

um....dude....those aren't flowers...

[mig50]

I don't know what I think of all this... except to say, the world DOES owe me. Fuckers.

awwwwwwwwwww....does someone need a hug?

does someone need a monkey pile?

MONKEY PILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i do need a monkey pile...

where's the lube?

dude...gross.

you fucking ruined it.

[Hooray For Everything]

i win...

neener neener.

[transonic]

I know Henri and he is a great person with a tremendous drive to grow a scene and a community that is positive and multidisciplinary. The shows I've been to that he organizes include other art forms besides music and entertain/challenge people in ways that music alone cannot. I think Henri was just trying to say let's not be critical of each other in hurtful ways. If we are critical of another band or personality on the Shizz, let's do it in a constructive way. If we intend to be humorous with our criticism, then make sure your intention is understood. I teach online classes and the misunderstandings that come from miscommunicating over email occur frquently and easily. I don not think Henri was trying to play the 'you come to my show, I'll come to yours game' -- I believe he is encouraging us as musicians and artists to strive to create authentic and subtatntive experiences for the audience. You do this by giving the audience multiple entry points to access your meaning/intention behind the art you create. So much of our society operates on the surface of things--let's delve a little deeper and help our audiences delve a little deeper. and have more fulfilling lives. Why do we go to live music shows? Is it just to be entertained, if so, then we could just turn on the tv and watch VH1 and have the same experience. If we go to shows to experience life, to feel like we are a part of something and feel a connection with a greater community who may believe the same things as you, or who may challenge your belief system, then we are the people Henri is trying to reach.

Yes, many of us on the Shizz are in the choir that sing in the church of music and art--as far as trying to make a music scene happen in PHX and its suburbs is concerned. However, I think Henri's point is this: instead of being critical in a negative way and coming off elitsit and unreachable, try being a mentor and teach other bands with positive criticism instead of being dismissive and rude. Did you like teachers in school who said, "you suck. Go home." Or did you like teachers who said "you suck, but you can do better, here's how..."?

My 64 cents.

[Brodie]

awwwwwwwwwww....does someone need a hug?

Don't be a creep.

[unluckycharm]

Jesus chill the fuck out

[Hooray For Everything]

afraid of a little competition?

[mig50]

awwwwwwwwwww....does someone need a hug?

Don't be a creep.

i don't think he can help it.

[aaronburke]

whoa...transonic's post and then henri's post
right in a row are kinda funny when taken together...

i don't remember the last time i saw a 'your band sucks!'
post even in jest...i think that's more for the old boards of
yore, like amj or something. even azpunk has raised
the bar for their own posts from what i've seen...

anyway, it's all well and good to talk about this
stuff, but it seems like a lot of doublespeak at the
same time. so henri wants to unify the scene.
what does he mean by that? what will the scene
be like if or when it's unified? guide us through a
typical week in the life of the scene. what will the
scene be doing in the future that it's not already
doing?

we need practical answers and not theoretical ones.